Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — 11/20/2024 10:29 PM
Template to show interest for item:

IGN:
Is this for ZvZ or a personal build (arena, small scale, etc)?

Screenshot 1: Current gear and stats
Screenshot 2: Gear Details
Screenshot 3: Resources demonstrating ability to upgrade item after it is recieved. This can either be lucent, trait unlock stones/trait conversion stones.

Additional Notes: @Bow  PLEASE POST YOUR QUESTLOG OR MAXROLL BUILD
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Sarah (SarahPyka) — 11/20/2024 10:36 PM
SarahPyka
for everything forever, zvz, arena, small scale, sniper

This is obviously endgame bow. I have several builds planned out and the materials to trait it out immediately. I will continue to show up to every boss/event and use this to stay on top to keep eclipse in the guild.(im so far in first its silly) 🫡 
additional notes: this will allow me to dps ant dungeon from up on the pillar for style points
https://questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/BlossomWithTheTranscendentalTransport 
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Polkiolp — 11/20/2024 10:44 PM
It'll go with my smaller bow for a cute pve build
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Clouud — 11/20/2024 10:44 PM
Template to show interest for item:

Clouuddd
ZvZ Small scale everything until game is dead
Very active and at most content will help with DPS and flash wave damage pog
https://questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en/character-builder/CandyOfExtraBeast
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rebornシ — 11/20/2024 10:57 PM
Showing interest bc Tevent bow is my T1 bis but I need me purple gear first :z0110pepe_thinking:
Me stuff: ⁠important-loot⁠Shadow Harvester Boots 
Sarah (SarahPyka) — 11/20/2024 11:22 PM
i also have a ton of purple traits to trait it for free and the tokens to craft the chestpiece i need 
空崎/BFG — 11/20/2024 11:43 PM
BFG
BiS bow for eternity in all content

have the means to fully trait it
notes: i show up to every boss/event unless im not home (i have no life)
would look really cool in my hand
https://questlog.gg/throne-and-liberty/en-nc/character-builder/FullGrandStoneSmite?build-id=1614195 
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Emmusing — Yesterday at 12:16 AM
Showing interest in bow, would be for everything ZvZ etc
I can't fully trait it asap

Attached my Toublek here, my Karnix one is: ⁠important-loot⁠Shadow Harvester Trousers
Everything I have is fully traited
I attend almost all events minus some world bosses to my knowledge
Always striving to improve my gameplay, coming from lost ark, high end raider somewhat translates to having hands.
 
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Highdeff — Yesterday at 12:28 AM
Highdeff
BIS Bow for as long as I'm aware. Great for ZVZ and all other avenues of my pvp play style. 
Have more than enough stones to fully trait and Lucent to Max the traits. 
Note: I have yet to acquire anything from Guild despite my requests for specific BIS gear and activity of being available for all content. 
https://maxroll.gg/throne-and-liberty/build-guides/longbow-dagger-pvp-build-guide
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Longbow / Dagger PvP Build Guide
Longbow Dagger PvP End Game Build Guide for Throne and Liberty. Tips for Wars, GvG, Traits, Skill Rotation, Gameplay, Mastery, Bomber, Stats!
Longbow / Dagger PvP Build Guide
Sarah (SarahPyka) — Yesterday at 12:31 AM
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Gocasual — Yesterday at 4:49 AM
Showing interest. Will post template when I return from work.
Etomidate — Yesterday at 6:33 AM
Etomidate
BIS for bow for mass PVP

Only thing i need to trait is my archboss weaps. all stones will go to that and have enough lucent to get the 300 needed
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Clouud — Yesterday at 8:24 PM
update on stuff to trait out quickly
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buttpug — Yesterday at 10:19 PM
@ncase
Nora ツ — Yesterday at 10:20 PM
i'm swapping to bow/dagger
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Byndy ツ — Yesterday at 10:22 PM
ill be her pocket
ncase — Yesterday at 10:30 PM
i vote for nora
Nora ツ — Yesterday at 10:33 PM
thx ncase
i'll pocket u when ur healer is not on
fuck my party
Llyrical — Yesterday at 10:33 PM
What if we flashwave heal from further
i vote for nora
Nora ツ — Yesterday at 10:34 PM
u should apply too llyrical
Llyrical — Yesterday at 10:34 PM
there's only one
dont worry when you get this one i'll apply for next
Nora ツ — Yesterday at 10:34 PM
u right
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 10:36 PM
CLOSED - GIVEN TO @Sarah (SarahPyka)
ugapa — Yesterday at 10:36 PM
justice for nora :PeepoRiot:
Highdeff — Yesterday at 10:37 PM
big surprise there, should have just given it to them yesterday
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 10:37 PM
We have protocols we have to follow. :shy:
Polkiolp — Yesterday at 10:39 PM
we have a bureaucracy to yap through
Highdeff — Yesterday at 10:43 PM
who were the runner ups?
Is there a side gig i need to also do to get loot from guild?
Pictures of my wife or something?
T E E — Yesterday at 10:45 PM
TheBigShawn — Yesterday at 10:46 PM
Sam  (Ecchiwifu) — Yesterday at 10:47 PM
Kwee smiley face — Yesterday at 10:52 PM
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Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:07 PM
I’m also curious who would even be a contender lol 
kind of defeats the purpose of putting it here aside from interest bc we all knew who it was going to. I’ll put my money that the next bow is going to ncase or Justin.. 💀 
🤓☝️
tbd (Apple) — Yesterday at 11:18 PM
with that attitude I can see why you wouldn't consider yourself 🙂
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:19 PM
Funny how you’re replying with that 🙂
FeedaDuck — Yesterday at 11:20 PM
So can you tell me the reasoning behind why you think ncase or justin will receive the next one?
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:20 PM
It’s pretty obv you guys would prioritize your own group.. sorry to call u out Justin I know we’ve been discussing and we’re chill but I just wanted to put out my frustrations like highdef 
Sam  (Ecchiwifu) — Yesterday at 11:20 PM
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:21 PM
because they’re part of the arguably “core” group that u guys would consider even though I’m sure a few others are as well. It’s hard to say because like we’ve asked before for transparency when there really isn’t any.
I’m not disagreeing that it shouldn’t go to ncase or Justin, in fact I feel like it should lol.
FeedaDuck — Yesterday at 11:21 PM
do you feel like sarah cannot utilize the weapon well?
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:21 PM
No I agreed with Sarah because that was the obvious choice
Like highdef said why not give it to him yday?
I don’t wanna be that guy but I’ll be him
Wasting everyone’s time
We all knew it
I agree with Sarah’s choice
end of the day no transparency and when you guys do, it’s copy paste really. Color me surprised if an archboss doesn’t go to a “core/clique” person.. lmao 
Sam  (Ecchiwifu) — Yesterday at 11:29 PM
Since we are talking about loots. I want to speak up my feeling as well.

Me as a healer will “nvr” get my hands on these Archboss weapons… I want Tevents Wand so bad, but there is 5 ppl who can use it better than I can. Unless I go full Dps…. 

And for Staff? Yah there is 5-7 ppl wants it as well… it’s really frustrating to play as a healer, there’s no rewards. Maybe other healers will agree

Sometime I just want to roll to another class😩 . But then we will lose one healer … We all know how important healers in this game. 

I wish there’s something to keep us exciting to play as healers, and in my opinion Tevents Wand would do it. Cursed explosion is so broken with it … 
Highdeff — Yesterday at 11:30 PM
I agree that Sarah is a top choice given there contribution. But if the there is a process that we are being told is followed with how they make a decision. Then asking a simple question of who the runner ups were should be an easy thing to answer. Look at the list of check marks the panel would have made beside each person's name, look and see who got the second most 'concideration', who got the third most consideration.
If there was no check marks beside anyone else's name then it's the panel of judges really considering applications?
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:31 PM
I don’t want to share my dms with Gwyn but you pretty much summed it all up. 😭😂 
jagerx — Yesterday at 11:33 PM
I think a big part is typically first of's or big ticket items tend to fall in a certain set of hands first... not that they arent deserving but comments like "do you feel like sarah cannot utilize the weapon well?" make it sound like you believe others cannot. I do not think you meant it that way but its a big shoot down that this person is just leaps and bounds more skilled at pushing flash wave than another
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:33 PM
like deadass
I might not be the best but I know for sure I can listen to flash wave LOL 
TheBigShawn — Yesterday at 11:40 PM
So you guys are upset that you had to apply in here thinking you didn't have a good chance to get it because Sarah has been busting his ass playing 24/7 for Ecilpse?
I'm genuinely confused what the bad rub is here or lack of transparency
Highdeff — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
@TheBigShawn reading isn't a strong suit of yours I take it
TheBigShawn — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
Polkiolp — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
lets not go there.
TheBigShawn — Yesterday at 11:41 PM
Sorry I can't read the botting website as well as you can.... RIP me
Polkiolp — Yesterday at 11:42 PM
you're free to say what you guys want and voice opinions, folks are also free to leave.
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 11:42 PM
Everyone chill
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:42 PM
Guys stop. We already made ⁠announcements about it.
Highdeff — Yesterday at 11:42 PM
I asked a question, who were the runner ups... And your taking that as I'm upset I wasted my time?
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:42 PM
This decisio nwas made according to that
Is there a reason you want to know the runner  ups
It can change next week
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 11:43 PM
Loot council isnt tasked with picking runners up for loot. They are tasked with picking the single best candidate at the time
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:43 PM
#2 today might not be #1 next time
Andy made an announcemnt talking about our process and the factors we use to consider who gets a drop
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 11:43 PM
If you dont want to apply dont apply. The reason we ask everyone to apply for everything is so that we know who wants the loot
If it drops and you dont apply
we wont consider you because either you dont want it or worse you dont know that you want it
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:44 PM
I'll post it here again. 

Quick announcement regarding loot:

We as loot council felt that the decision making process for item distribution could have largely been inferred from our previous announcements and decisions. However, since many new players have joined us we have decided be a bit more transparent into the primary guidelines we have been considering:

overall increase in value for the zerg
overall increase in value for the individual: breakpoints, build viability
individuals contribution (dailies, off-timer world bosses, dynamic events, etc)
attendance to the event that dropped the item (if an item is dropped, consideration would be given to those that attended the event)
attendance and performance at mandatory events (siege, arc-boss, boonstone, riftstone)
another reminder to record your vods, and post your clips if possible!
how long has the person been in the guild, and how long since they have received an item

Loot council is made up of members who place different values on different aspects on the game and the guild, but each member holds equal weight in the decision making process. Loot-council aims to balance the short-term and long-term goals of the guild. 
jagerx — Yesterday at 11:44 PM
I think its more.. we know who the first 1-3/4 of these are going to without applications
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 11:45 PM
Yes I understand that applying for items every time might be frustrating but how else are we supposed to know who wants the items and who to consider for it
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:45 PM
yes i understand that, but its our process, SOP if you must
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 11:45 PM
We aren't babysitting everyone's builds/questlogs. We can if you guys want to go that route
but trust me you dont want that cause its more work for everyone
Like I said before we have procedures
EVERY piece of loot
Highdeff — Yesterday at 11:45 PM
Completely missing the point
Gwynafenシ — Yesterday at 11:45 PM
waits 24 hours before distribution
the only time we made an exception was siege
jagerx — Yesterday at 11:46 PM
but selected upon drop for certain items
similar to what Emmusing said.. and its not that its wrong but its pretty telegraphed. I would bet tevent bow would be this order:
Gwyn
Sarah
Wob
Ncase

then it gets fuzzy
and other than being on the in crowd and "performing to expectations" from the council of in crowd theres not really a rhyme or reason
and its not just the bow it happens when first of or big ticket items drop
hence the thought of "need not apply"
Highdeff — Yesterday at 11:49 PM
Regardless of the decisions possibly changing from week to week of we were at least privy to the runner ups. We can then at least know where we stand with in the guild.
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:50 PM
I mean again, we posted how we decide in announcement.
If you want the TLDR: frag out, and frag out in as many events as you can
Get our guilds more kills, more contribution, more captures, more lucen, more drop
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:51 PM
Make the loot council meetings public
Wicked and simple fix guys!
Keep mics muted we can’t talk just listen in
full transparency!
Polkiolp — Yesterday at 11:51 PM
honestly if we did that, tuck yourselves into bed since we yap too long
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:52 PM
Doesn’t matter, at least I know what’s actually happening.
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:52 PM
Mhm I don't mind that but up to council members to vote whether we do or not 
jagerx — Yesterday at 11:53 PM
this is an interesting take though because if you keep feeding the same handful of people the others dont really improve - again we are flashing wave clumps lol
Verenhime — Yesterday at 11:53 PM
to be fair some of the bows can't do that
and if you don't trust your leadership without listening into private comms then why are u here
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:54 PM
I mean we have hard stats
from Tevent boss and sieges
on KDA
Highdeff — Yesterday at 11:54 PM
I agree, with that.. At least I know when they got to my application and they said "ya highdef had done shit for the guild since he joined" I would know ok.... I've got some work to do. 

Cuz in all honesty I thought I was doing really well considering I work full time, have a wife/life.
jagerx — Yesterday at 11:54 PM
i mean I got 20-30 kills at siege flash waving as a healer and another healer posted they got like 50+.. im not sure frag stats off flash waves are a great stat line
Emmusing — Yesterday at 11:54 PM
tbf that’s arguably an uncertain way to see gameplay because if I’m the later flash wave I could hit nothing, fully listening to commands and playing generally right. 
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:54 PM
I agree that stacking the same people would cause them to gear up faster = easier to kill people
but that is taken into account when loot counciling normal items
we try not to give the saame people mulitple drops
unless no one else applies
jagerx — Yesterday at 11:55 PM
but if the metric is "do better" they will continue to do better
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Yesterday at 11:55 PM
but arc boss is different, it should 100% go to the people with the most gear 


Polkiolp — Today at 12:01 AM
lets table this for a bit.
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Today at 12:02 AM
i forget what if i typed this earlier or not, but the "core" group know each other from other games. we vod review each other and understand our strengths relative to other players in t he guild
jagerx — Today at 12:02 AM
i think it would be less frustrating for the people who are frustrated if it was pretty transparent.. which it is without saying but clearly theres a few people who spoke up and want it to just be said... "we have an order for xyz items"
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Today at 12:02 AM
if for exxample emmusing
never vod reviews or submit clips or shows us a vod
i can nevver know how well he is playing
other  than kill count
jagerx — Today at 12:02 AM
but you are a % of the 70 ppl
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Today at 12:02 AM
of course this is unfair
if his computer cant record
or whatever
Emmusing — Today at 12:02 AM
I know this that’s kind of why we are saying it seems pointless to apply when we know the core know each other and are somewhat closer friends
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Today at 12:02 AM
but think about it  from the perspectivve of us
we understand who is "good" but we dont know if everyone else is the same
all we see are stats
jagerx — Today at 12:03 AM
thats literally the issue lol
like
!?
Justin (Wobniar)
OP
 — Today at 12:03 AM
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so we try to encourage this...
jagerx — Today at 12:03 AM
im not saying any of you are bad good or whatever
but its a 70 person guild
it will start feeling like 50 are feeding 10-20
thats not great for growth
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:05 AM
I just looked over the last 3 weeks of loot given out via loot council. All items deemed worthy of posting due to their lucent value
jagerx — Today at 12:05 AM
its different when an item like bell staff gets bought out by someone.. @Etomidate wouldve went for 50k lucent himself on it and those kinds of thigns make sense but when its "loot council" by way of "friendly loot order" it doesnt sit well
Emmusing — Today at 12:05 AM
I say all this as one of the people that got fed something so uhh yeah I’m just pointing things out because I understand your frustrations since it’s relatable 
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:06 AM
Of 63 items that dropped only 12-14 drops went to the "in" crowd that you are speaking of
jagerx — Today at 12:07 AM
i did caveat that with big ticket items
theres plenty of items that are also in that list that have dropped a dozen times
or are not needed
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:07 AM
Yes some of them were archboss weapons but it is obvious we give it to the people who are most geared as their builds/breakpoints would be able to use them efficiently
Highdeff — Today at 12:07 AM
Let me get this straight.... If we want more consideration for loot I need to post videos of myself playing??? So you can judge if I'm doing good?
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:08 AM
I think the main issue is that you guys are expecting something without providing anything to differentiate you from anyone else. Every single bow can say they're hitting a breakpoint or it's their bis, but how are you the individual, valuing yourself in that situation? Sarah for instance can say that he grinds the hell out of the game and has eclipse which benefits the whole guild as well as himself. It provides his motivation for continuing to play the game. You have to provide some sort of reference material or it genuinely will be up to perceived skill level based off of statistics. If you can't provide a vod, try and find a clip. If you can't find a clip, write out a fucking essay on why you believe you should get it. At the end of the day there's really no way for anyone to evaluate you better than yourself.
jagerx — Today at 12:08 AM
i dont think anyone has yet said "sarah didnt deserve this"
so going back to arguing why sarah got this is moot.
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:09 AM
That would be an example
In the grand scheme it applies to everything
jagerx — Today at 12:09 AM
emmusing and highdef and echi all were saying it just seems like it always goes to xyz people
and I agree with them
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:09 AM
Because they have actual metrics and vods to attach value to them as an individual
if all you can provide is what everyone else can provide
how can they evaluate if you "deserve" the item
Highdeff — Today at 12:10 AM
A video brings value to the guild????
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:10 AM
It lets me know you're not running into a wall auto walking
jagerx — Today at 12:10 AM
truthfully - attendance, tenure and dedication are pretty  well valued to most as well
Highdeff — Today at 12:10 AM
What the literal fuck
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:10 AM
I'm not even council man I'm literally saying I don't know how you play the game
Highdeff — Today at 12:11 AM
Open your God damn eyes and look on the screen...I can see all you guys doing shit
I can see who is running into a wall
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:11 AM
there's 70 on a screen
Highdeff — Today at 12:11 AM
This your first time playing MMOs?
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:11 AM
more if my character count is high
why do I care about your gameplay?
Emmusing — Today at 12:11 AM
Highdef my guy you’re barking up the wrong argument
Highdeff — Today at 12:11 AM
Holy god damn
Emmusing — Today at 12:11 AM
LMAOOO
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:12 AM
Getting attached to the video argument doesn't make sense
I literally said if you can't
try and make a way for council to understand your value to something
if all you can say is words that everyone else can
it's literally going to be how you percieve the "in" crowd to be
Emmusing — Today at 12:12 AM
yeah agreed with tbd that makes sense lol
jagerx — Today at 12:12 AM
we are all adults here bud - lets not get carried away
Emmusing — Today at 12:12 AM
see y’all tmrw for the vod postings for the boon fight
jagerx — Today at 12:12 AM
who really wants to sit here and put together a varsity reel for a peice of gear 
jagerx — Today at 12:13 AM
but it literally goes to the in crowd lol
the defensiveness is getting weird
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:13 AM
I don't think I'm being defensive
I'm literally just saying the same thing over and over again
if you don't want to put up a vod or a clip that's fine
but know that people will do that
and they will be considered over you
and that's external effort
If you think that's unfair that's unlucky because nobody can magically attach a value to you as an individual
not everything is fair and it's hard
and getting angry over it is understandable
jagerx — Today at 12:14 AM
i think attaching value might be the ticket here
everyone who shows up is valuable
they are here
they are spending their time
they are contributing
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:15 AM
If you guys need to talk about it or want to argue over our decision i WELCOME you to join voice chat
jagerx — Today at 12:15 AM
again
NO ONE HAS SAID SARAH DIDNT DESERVE IT
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:15 AM
what is your concern then?
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:15 AM
I agree, at some point there could be words said about how we want to gear people out to win siege
Highdeff — Today at 12:15 AM
You guys are placing value on someone posting a try hard video... And saying that someone that doesn't do that isnt as good.... Wow
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:15 AM
but now that it's won there's not a point to have it go to "key players" or your "in crowd"
at the end of the day you guys play to get something out of it
and before it was to win siege
and now there isn't a set goal
so things should just cool down and go back to being less lc
imo
jagerx — Today at 12:16 AM
then you would be agreeing with us?
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:16 AM
I'm saying that there is points in time where it makes sense for certain people to get gear
and that time has passed
which would be me agreeing
jagerx — Today at 12:17 AM
its been stated a few times but there are people who feel like applying is a waste of time for the first 1-4 drops of specific items because it WILL go to who the in crowd wants it to go to.
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:17 AM
that's absolutely not the case though
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:17 AM
but I'm saying with loot as it is now, there are channels by which you can differentiate yourself
that's all I'm saying
jagerx — Today at 12:17 AM
its been the case pretty repeatedly
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:17 AM
if you don't choose to apply be cause you FEEL you don't think you're gonna win then how can we even consider you?
jagerx — Today at 12:17 AM
hence why a few people spoke up and said "every knows its going to sarah lets stop the charade"
Verenhime — Today at 12:18 AM
sarah isn't in anyone's in crowd bro
jagerx — Today at 12:18 AM
I didnt apply because im a healer and dont want it I want my dps to take it
Verenhime — Today at 12:18 AM
he shows up to shit and he kills people
jagerx — Today at 12:18 AM
oaky
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:18 AM
we have clear cut rules as to why we didn't just give it yesterday
Highdeff — Today at 12:18 AM
There was no consideration of your can't even tell us who the runner ups where...
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:18 AM
you're missing the fact that we're adhering to rules
oh we definitely can lol
Verenhime — Today at 12:18 AM
the runner ups were everyone the fuck else
gg
go home
Emmusing — Today at 12:18 AM
PLEASE I’m on my knees
jagerx — Today at 12:18 AM
you are missing the fact that 10 secs after it dropped we all know who its going to thats the problem
Verenhime — Today at 12:18 AM
that isn't a problem
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:19 AM
how is it a problem
Verenhime — Today at 12:19 AM
you should have a clear idea in your head of who the impactful players are
jagerx — Today at 12:19 AM
it is when we can be certain the next ~3 are pretty well set
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:19 AM
so you want us to break our own rules because you know it's going to them?
lol
jagerx — Today at 12:19 AM
???
no one asked you to give to sarah last night
no one asked you to not give to sarah
Verenhime — Today at 12:19 AM
yes
multiple people did ask to just give it to him
jagerx — Today at 12:19 AM
oh lol
i missed that
but thats not what im getting at
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:19 AM
that it goes to the guy who plays the game the most. Grinds PVP events to get alliance eclipse. Goes to literally every world boss timer ever. Frags out in ZvZ. Is active in discord and helpful to people asking to run dungeons etc.
If thats a problem
then idk
jagerx — Today at 12:20 AM
my friend - please hear me
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:20 AM
There have been many comments of you guys saying it was just a waste of time
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:20 AM
they aren't arguing over sarah
jagerx — Today at 12:20 AM
Sarah is more than deserving
tbd (Apple) — Today at 12:20 AM
because his value is easily perceived
jagerx — Today at 12:20 AM
Sarah is god king
deserves tevent
I agree
I wouldve voted towards him too
thats literally not the issue lol
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:20 AM
then whats the problem
jagerx — Today at 12:20 AM
i cant restate it again
i just cant
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:20 AM
?
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:20 AM
we're quite literally asking for you to restate the problem 
jagerx — Today at 12:20 AM
i dont care to
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:21 AM
your saying
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:21 AM
you want more transparency?
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:21 AM
you guys are saying
jagerx — Today at 12:21 AM
i restated it a moment ago
when you asked
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:21 AM
you cant perceive your own strength in the guild
jagerx — Today at 12:21 AM
and 10 times before that
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:21 AM
but you can easily perceive sarahs
why does it not work both ways

jagerx — Today at 12:21 AM
huh?
Byndy ツ — Today at 12:21 AM
im a healer, give me the bow k thx
jagerx — Today at 12:21 AM
i gotta be done with this convo you guys are lost lol
Verenhime — Today at 12:21 AM
the rules have been posted numerous times

they don't pick runner ups because the next time the item drops the person who was in "2nd place" might not be in 1st the next time and then he feels cheated if it goes to someone else
G quit brother
it's 1 button
Emmusing — Today at 12:21 AM
@jagerx why are u copying me broski
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jagerx — Today at 12:22 AM
such a moronic take when you say g quit.. I AM NOT MAD lol
take feedback
dont be weird about it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:22 AM
We ask for feedback and you hit me with I dont want to give it
what am i supposed to do with that
Verenhime — Today at 12:22 AM
whining in guild chat and dms for hours isn't feedback
jagerx — Today at 12:22 AM
i hav given it 15 times in this chat
even just moment ago
Verenhime — Today at 12:22 AM
loot council is the way it is for a reason
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:23 AM
Sorry I was busy doing world boss
jagerx — Today at 12:23 AM
i cant keep doing it and it keep getting skipped
i generally dont care enough
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:23 AM
do you want me to scroll up
through 50 messages
or do u wanna just tell me
I was trying to get loot
for the guild
Clouud — Today at 12:23 AM
By this logic I would be up there am I not top in kills?
jagerx — Today at 12:23 AM
cloud I said you meet the standards that they are saying
but unfortunately I think you are like #5 on the list lol if not lower
Emmusing — Today at 12:24 AM
Cloud if it wasn’t Sarah I would’ve picked u dead as
💀
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:24 AM
Okay since you dont want to tell me i scrolled up
For you argument that people have value for showing up
and being there
YES that provides value to the guild
But you do understand that
everyone does that?
youre not special because you show up
We are asking for what makes you STAND OUT
from the people that show up
EVERYONE has to show up
otherwise we cant win because of numbers
jagerx — Today at 12:25 AM
but if we didnt show up and it was just the few of you - would you win? who knows
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:25 AM
Anyone can say that
If 3 of us dont show up
would we win?
you see what i mean
Its the SAME value
for anyone
Highdeff — Today at 12:25 AM
If I don't pay a video or write an essay they also won't know my value
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:25 AM
we dont ask you guys to show up to events for no reason
Highdeff — Today at 12:25 AM
Post*
jagerx — Today at 12:26 AM
but you kinda do when the certain few are guaranteed the first drops
thats the whole point
i feel like that part of the discussion is getting leap frogged
by a defensive take on why sarah got it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:26 AM
how do you know
jagerx — Today at 12:26 AM
when no one cares that sarah got it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:26 AM
who is guaranteed to get what drop
there isnt a list anwyhere i know of
jagerx — Today at 12:26 AM
i didnt say there was
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:26 AM
then how can you say that with such conviction
that it is guaranteed to go to this person
jagerx — Today at 12:27 AM
because its happened on other items when first released due to boss or other just big ticket items
things fall into certain ppls hands ahead of others
and its not that they dont deserve
again i feel like I need to underline that 
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:28 AM
There is only one piece of loot that drops. We cant chop it up 70 ways and give everyone a piece
Byndy ツ — Today at 12:28 AM
The video isn't even to see if you're getting kills or w/e nobody cares about kills. They just wanna know are you listening to comms? Are u doing what you're supposed to be doing (hitting when told), are you playing with the team? No one is going to be paying attention to YOU specifically when 99999999999999999 ppl are on the screen not to mention not everyone can have high char count.
jagerx — Today at 12:28 AM
look
a bunch of people are salty with highdef and etomidate over "botting" because of optics
I am trying to share an optical opinion
optics
are that certain items
have name tags on them
take that for what you will
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:29 AM
Name me items
jagerx — Today at 12:29 AM
im not the only person voicing it there were 3 others typing
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:29 AM
that have name tags
I am genuininely curious
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:29 AM
can you go to every single item that we've loot counciled and tell us that you knew they were going to them 100%
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:29 AM
We dont have a list in loot council
that has peoples names on it
I want to see your list
Highdeff — Today at 12:29 AM
I've been been playing MMOs for 18 year's...I have zero issues tracking people and seeing what they are doing... Why are people complaining about that all the time??
jagerx — Today at 12:29 AM
yes any archboss weapon
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:29 AM
tell us where these new items in our loot distribution are going to
so you can tell me exactly what i was doing at every stage of the fight during siege?
jagerx — Today at 12:30 AM
like gwyn - i think we all knew whether you paid or not the bellandir staff was going to you... its awesome that you paid and appreciated... but even if you didnt it was going to you and no one was going to bat an eye just is
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:31 AM
This is blatantly not true
Go back to the thread
jagerx — Today at 12:31 AM
i know what was said
but i dont think anyone truly expected to get it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:31 AM
I specifically stated I was only buying it if NOBODY else in guild was going to use it for siege
Highdeff — Today at 12:31 AM
If you were following the instructions of the shot caller like I do... Then yes I would see you running in tune with guild.
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:31 AM
In so far as being able to trait it out and fit it into their current build
jagerx — Today at 12:31 AM
what? etomidate wouldve bought it and traited it by siege?
and i think stated so in the thread but said you just take it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:32 AM
I said multiple times I would defer to those who could use it
in their current build
Byndy ツ — Today at 12:32 AM
He did not state he would buy it, he said he will wait and gwyn deserves it.
He straight up said he will sit out
Highdeff — Today at 12:33 AM
He would have bought it
jagerx — Today at 12:33 AM
because like the tevent bow
we konw where its going lol
thats kind of the point here
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:33 AM
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Here is the ENTIRE thread
Nowhere has anyone posted their actual interest in the item
aside from me
Where is his
jagerx — Today at 12:33 AM
he said he has interest but for you to have it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:33 AM
questlog
unlockstones
lucent
stats
current gear
?
jagerx — Today at 12:34 AM
again missing the point
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:34 AM
No you are missing my point
jagerx — Today at 12:34 AM
because no one expected to get it
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:34 AM
If he posts
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:34 AM
what is your point....
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:34 AM
all of the stuff that we ALWAYS ask people to post
then we would consider him
how can i consider him for staff
if he isnt willing to partake in our loot system
the way everyone else does

Ryoh (Hoyr) — Today at 12:35 AM
what optics????? https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GK4QHHHAC82SQTS8&pop-up=1
what you guys are doing is essentially botting.
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Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:35 AM
you post your build
you post your ability to use the item
If you post
jagerx — Today at 12:35 AM
but its not botting ?
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:35 AM
we consider you
jagerx — Today at 12:36 AM
okay
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:36 AM
you know the intent lol
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:36 AM
Botting or not aside thats not the point
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:36 AM
everyone has the ability to do so, but you chose to do so willingly
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:36 AM
Tell me im wrong
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Tell me here
you see garthe
using the system
as intended
with a straight face
tell me he posted
jagerx — Today at 12:36 AM
he said "I would like an opportunity but have one"
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:36 AM
according to the template
Clouud — Today at 12:36 AM
The satff sat for  24 hours  btw
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:36 AM
that has never been
Clouud — Today at 12:36 AM
he had 24 hours to apply
Highdeff — Today at 12:36 AM
There is that word again... Consider
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:36 AM
the template
to apply for loot
Byndy ツ — Today at 12:36 AM
Then hands it off right after
So
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:37 AM
Were not asking people to type "i want this item"
jagerx — Today at 12:37 AM
because he didnt want to waste his time which is how people not me but people in this thread are posting abotu the bow
Emmusing — Today at 12:37 AM
That’s kinda on you if you say the other guy deserves it more…
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:37 AM
we are asking people for very specific things that are all outlined
jagerx — Today at 12:37 AM
im not sure how thats not getting across
Clouud — Today at 12:37 AM
I would also like the oppurtunity but I didnt have the supplies needed to get it ready for seige so I didnt apply im not here crying
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:37 AM
I am telling you
right now
100 percent
if he had posted
his build
followed template
Garthe would have gotten
staff
Clouud — Today at 12:37 AM
also I for one think sarah was the wrong pick he died to a reg mob in t2 dungeon today smh
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:38 AM
He opted
of his own free will to NOT do that
so i had to buy it
We have posted the loot rules
and reminded veryone of them
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:38 AM
I think you should maybe consider a new guild if you think that withholding your own vote is our fault
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:38 AM
MULTIPLE times
Byndy ツ — Today at 12:38 AM
That's vis not garthe btw lol but yes I agree if vis actually applied he prob would have gotten it cuz the staff is better on a staff/dagger
jagerx — Today at 12:38 AM
so weird
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:38 AM
We have legit
been transparent about loot rules
for a month now
FeedaDuck — Today at 12:38 AM
pass me lead ill kick them
Emmusing — Today at 12:38 AM
no
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:38 AM
is it weird for us to literally ping everyone and beg that they share their posts?
jagerx — Today at 12:39 AM
i didnt ask that
John (Reverb) — Today at 12:39 AM
i've sent mails and pings telling everyone to put in their interest for items
Sam  (Ecchiwifu) — Today at 12:39 AM
Cuz I was the tank, otherwise he would lives until the end :ninevehPeek: 
jagerx — Today at 12:39 AM
you guys are coming at me as if im mad about something lol - im trying to help some people who voiced frustrations get their point across
Highdeff — Today at 12:39 AM
People keep saying to leave guild because we are having Discussion.... Y'all don't want us and our voice then click the button and lock us.
Kick us*
FeedaDuck — Today at 12:40 AM
ok bye bye
Emmusing — Today at 12:40 AM
Geniunly one of the worst responses to a discussion I've seen in my life
FeedaDuck — Today at 12:41 AM
cya
Emmusing — Today at 12:41 AM
"just leave"
LOL
buttpug — Today at 12:41 AM
o who are u guys?
jagerx — Today at 12:41 AM
its real childish
Emmusing — Today at 12:41 AM
yeah youre right who am I my bad
Verenhime — Today at 12:41 AM
i mean if u guys want transparency I can give it to you
multiple people wanted the botters to be full kicked, and 4 different people quit playing when emmusing got his belt
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:42 AM
I am not saying you are mad I am saying you arguments are unreasonable
jagerx — Today at 12:42 AM
thats fine
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:42 AM
logically it doesnt make any sense
jagerx — Today at 12:42 AM
we all have opinions
appreciate getting kicked i guess? lol
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:43 AM
no its not an opinion. He didnt post for item so he wasnt considered for it
Its just facts that he didnt follow the loot rules
theres nothing to argue there
jagerx — Today at 12:43 AM
i didnt argue that he should have the staff?
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:43 AM
Its literally what happened
jagerx — Today at 12:43 AM
oir that sarah shouldnt have the bow?
Gwynafenシ — Today at 12:43 AM
You guys are saying
Kwee smiley face — Today at 12:47 AM
I can fully understand both sides of the argument, ultimately I have to agree with loot council with suggestions. Running a guild isnt simple its honestly a full time job and making a decision of a BIS item with multiple people comes at a cost. The person who should get it is the person who puts in the most contribution, shows up to all events and participate in vc's or shit like that. But it's NOT just participation it should be based off of performance. I dont think anyone can disagree with Sarah getting the bow because he is quite literally the best right now in the server in terms of his role. Where I DO agree with the other side is being left out but you have to ask yourself if YOU are putting the work in as much as Sarah has, if Yes then Okay i'll understand your frustration so what my suggestion is to loot council, it doesnt have to be all items but items such as Tevent bow should make an event on discord where everyone can join but muted automatically, except loot council they can talk about WHO should get it so that way everyone can see how and why said person gets the loot.
To be honest no one should be blaming each other right now, both sides are valid and both sides doesnt have to be perfect. Just explain your fustrations and move on with it.
Byndy ツ — Today at 12:48 AM
they gone bro 💀
Kwee smiley face — Today at 12:48 AM
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Mods close this shit discussion before i post a gif in here that'll get me kicked.
helzerk — Today at 12:49 AM
Close and delete lol
Verenhime — Today at 12:49 AM
the previous one shoulda done it
helzerk — Today at 12:49 AM
Drench it with gasoline...
buttpug — Today at 12:50 AM
nooo i need to read it
helzerk — Today at 12:50 AM
Delete it quick before he reads it.
Kwee smiley face — Today at 12:50 AM
you wanna see my best ones.
buttpug — Today at 12:50 AM
this has been the most exciting thing since seige
ugapa — Today at 12:51 AM
:popcorn:
Ebag — Today at 12:55 AM
thanks kwee smiley face