Live Q&A w/Danny Sheehan - UAP Disclosure Act, UAP activism, etc.!
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December 5, 2023
Nick Gold, Joe Murgia, Danny Sheehan, Lester Nare, ...

This is an automated transcription, so expect errors.

00:00:29 Speaker 1
Hey folks, we're going to get started in a few minutes. There's going to be a few minutes of coordination that takes place. So you're going to hear us just babbling about Twitter spacecraft.
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Going to make some announcements before we get started and.
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Kind of set the stage.
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But give us a few minutes.
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And you know, probably we'll start at like 602. Don't don't tell anyone, but there's always stragglers. We're not going to wait for all of them.
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Jeremy, I see.
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You requested. I'm going to put you on speaker for a second. Just cause sounds like you got something to say, but we're going to be taking questions from folks a little later in the conversation. Let me add you as a speaker just now.
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If you wanted to say anything as we get started.
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Just wanted to be a speaker when there were a time when there was time for Q&A.
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No problem. I'm gonna UM.
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What you do, you do this. This is actually a good exercise for me because I can.
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Ohh there it is.
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Thank you. That actually was really useful because I just wanted to refamiliarize myself with some of the buttons you.
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Get on on, folks.
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Going to turn a few people here on.
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Lester, you've got.
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A Co host invite I don't even remember what that means.
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Let me get.
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And I'm and of course we're going to.
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Add this as a speaker.
00:02:01 Speaker 5
Hello good Sir.
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Hey, Lester, and let me.
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Gosh, let me see if I can find Tyler.
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I thought Tyler was going to be coming in separately. If you guys see him under the other account.
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That they use.
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Up, folks, if you've requested, you can kind of like turn that off for a little while, because this is not gonna instantly go to like audience Q&A. It's actually a little easier if you request a little later. There we go.
00:02:33 Speaker 7
Oh, it does. It puts people who have requested at the top, of course. So it does.
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Get a little easier.
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Hey Nick, I have. I have Danny here on zoom and we're going to have him join here in one moment.
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That's great. I see that there's a new paradigm logged.
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In as a listener.
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That's him. That's him.
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So let's go and give him mic access and we can.
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Get this room moving.
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Yeah. Now, hopefully he sees the.
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Could you mute Tyler?
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For a second, yeah, I got you.
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Make sure to let him know that he has to request that speaker invite using whether he's on desktop or the.
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App guy. Give me one moment.
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See folks, This is why we start a few minutes early and we can we can we get all the coordination out of the way? I mean, I myself am relatively new to to spaces. Oh, and I need to jump into the space on my computer as well.
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I'm going to try to keep an eye on the messages that are take us around this space.
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That's where I'm going to be focusing, by the way, for a little while I am not going to be watching my DM so much. It's just going to be a little hard to keep up with.
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There we go and I think this will let me up when I can watch all the comments. It's already coming in. Thanks everyone for joining us this evening. Manic few days notice on this. I'm really looking forward to it.
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We'll get into some of that in a moment.
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It's Joe here. Oh, there he is.
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Do you see that job?
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I think you have been granted the.
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Do you have, like the speaking stick or whatever?
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They need like.
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A little speaking, stick that you can pass around.
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Do I don't know if you.
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Sit. There you go. How's it?
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Going let's let's just.
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You know, say hi, Joe. How's it?
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Going man.
00:04:32 Speaker 8
Hi I am here.
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How's LV doing?
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OK.
00:04:37 Speaker 8
Las Vegas is nice, it's beautiful and it's ready for passage of EU AP disconnect so we can celebrate Las Vegas style, which I don't even know what that means cause because I'm not a big partier. But yeah.
00:04:49 Speaker 8
I'm I'm excited about this. It's great. I'm appreciative that you allowed me to come in.
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Here and be a co-host.
00:04:57 Speaker 8
And I'm really curious to see what different kind of questions we can come up with, Danny, because he's done a lot of interviews. And one thing I've been promising my danisha and mega.
00:05:08 Speaker 8
Transcript. Forever. It's like multiple interviews and lectures he's done over the years. It's 70,000 words, so I'm going to try my best to get it out tomorrow or by the end of the week. And every time, I promise, I a lot of time. I don't come through my promises because take forever. But I will try my best to get the one out some really interesting.
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Material in there so but yeah, looking forward to.
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This. Thanks again.
00:05:32 Speaker 1
Tyler, do you want to do the zoom or do you think doing through the actual app is going to work best?
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Oh, he may be working out those details in real time.
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I you know, I'm not in love with the spaces portion of the Twitter app I, and I'm also going to mention I had a hard crash in the space a few nights ago. If that happens, just keep your eye on act faces. I'll kick a new one up for everybody. I'll be the host and you know we'll we'll lose a few minutes.
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Do it, but we should be able to get it going again quickly.
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That will be the protocol. As I mentioned a little earlier, we're going to start off I think with, you know, Lester, Joe and myself, you know, talking with Danny a bit. We obviously follow all this stuff really closely as to many of the listeners here, you know, I think we have a pretty good sense of the territory that a lot of people have questions about. My goal is to start with speaking about.
00:06:30 Speaker 1
For the a PDA more specifically, and I'll kind of Denny's read on where it's at and just some of the mechanics how that's unfolding, all that good stuff like keep our eyes on cries kind of stuff. Uh and Joe, if you don't mind, could you mute when?
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I'm getting a little feed from you.
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There we go. This app is so funny like people do things and there's a delay and it's, you know, it's so hard to know what's going on. So you know, we I wanna really make this about activism predominantly and kind of what's going on with this important bill, but also this movement that's building that it's funny. We kind of had the UA PDA sprung on us, essentially.
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And you know, because a lot of us were already kind of starting to get going with some of this movement building stuff. And then, like, the Uada dropped out of the blue in July and mid-july and.
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That was just kind of like, OK, we got to go into go mode really fast. So yeah, that's down to the wire. I want to focus on it. Then I want to talk about some of the more, like, inside baseball stuff a little more broadly just about Denny's views on kind of the UAP issue and some of the statements that he's made and some people also have questions about some of the more. Yeah, just some of the ideas and beliefs that Danny.
00:07:38 Speaker 1
Shared over many years now, frankly about the phenomenon, we're gonna try to save that. I think a little towards the end if we want to go into that.
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Corey. But again, it's my goal to be pragmatic here and really try to keep this focused on how we can be most effective in this time and and get fentanyl's view on that. But again we have we have.
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Some time I.
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Think they Tyler? There we go. We go. Let's see if.
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We can get them.
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Everybody, thank you for your patience. I have Danny Sheehan here on zoom. We couldn't figure out his Twitter unfortunately, but Danny, now we are live on the Twitter space. So say hello Daddy, and we can.
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Take it from here.
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Hi folks I'm here sitting.
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Sitting in my office, I got back.
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From Washington, DC.
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I'm back in.
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California, San Cruz and the top the the Holy Cross Mission Church broadcasting live in there.
00:08:27 Speaker 6
Everyone. How's the audio? Is that audio acceptable?
00:08:29 Speaker 1
Yeah, that'll be fine. And you know, one thing I'll just ask Tyler is.
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When, when you're not speaking or when Denny's.
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Speaking just hitting mute for us and you know, I think everyone as best as possible, even speakers who come in later from our guests, just ride the mute really well because it works better for everybody. I'll just kind of start with a quick introduction here, Danny. We've actually brushed elbows a couple of times over the years. One was about, I think in 2001, I believe it was within a few days.
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The main disclosure project, event International Press Club.
00:08:57 Speaker 11
I can just, I can just barely hear you guys.
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Like you're, like, super far away.
00:09:03 Speaker 6
I'll give you. Give me one second, Dan. I'm gonna improve the audio. Alright, guys, give me one second to hook up.
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Better audio for Danny, I'll.
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Be right back. Sure thing.
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One moment.
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It's tough when you're getting someone kind of onboarded with spaces as a speaker.
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If it's, if it's using even Twitter is less familiar. It's like I just wish the desktop app was full-featured it's.
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Like that, budget was clearly cut when Elon was trying to save some money, right? Yeah. It's like we're scrapping the desktop version of spaces, folks. We're just keeping it where it's at. I don't care if it has bugs and doesn't do everything. So this is what we get with the new.
00:09:38 Speaker 8
Next, well, you know, when I when I go to YouTube and I say let's just move.
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It to YouTube I.
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Don't get people don't want to come out. Come on YouTube and talk, even if it's just audio, I don't.
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Get much participation so people love spaces. But yeah, there there are limitations. Obviously, as we're seeing right now.
00:09:54 Speaker 1
Yeah. And you know, it's funny that App Club room, which faces seem pretty much just a rip off of, I guess they folded or something, but I wasn't seeing the appeal back when that app was out. And yeah, now that it's so integrated into Twitter and similar functionality, I get it. It's it's pretty interesting. And as long as we keep the drama low, that's great. While we're waiting for them to just kind of patch through the audio, let me just.
00:10:16 Speaker 1
Kind of again, set almost ground rules. Again, we're going to have Lester Annari from UAP caucus. And of course, Joe Murgia from Joe. I don't know what are you from? You're just the presence. I don't even know how to.
00:10:27 Speaker 8
I'm from Long Island. It's a pleasant.
00:10:29 Speaker 5
Nice OL.
00:10:31 Speaker 1
Exactly, exactly. We always need long Islanders in the cruise. So Long Island, so.
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Everyone's like ground rules. We're all going for politeness succinctness as best as possible. If you want to talk, you're there to ask a question today.
00:10:48 Speaker 6
Excuse me. Excuse me. Nick, I don't want to interrupt you, but I just want.
00:10:48 Speaker 1
If you want there.
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To do an audio check for Danny real quick.
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I've got it. I can hear the I can hear.
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Everybody now, OK.
00:10:55 Speaker 3
That's wonderful.
00:10:55 Speaker 6
Danny, can you hear everybody and you guys can hear Danny, OK?
00:10:57 Speaker 1
Yeah. OK. Perfect. We're gonna kick off. Sorry about the tech issues, everybody. No worries. This is we're using new technology in creative ways. So, so any mailing out some ground rules for attendance. When we do get to the Q&A portion a little later, we're probably chat for 30-40 minutes and then kick up the more kind of.
00:11:13 Speaker 11
Little little little sound the the Audio's.
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Looking a little echoey there now.
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All of a sudden.
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OK, I'll be.
00:11:18 Speaker 6
I'll make sure to uh one second. So I guess we're just dealing with the latency here one moment.
00:11:21 Speaker 11
Are you OK? Thanks.
00:11:25 Speaker 1
Just mute Tyler. When? When? When? Unless Danny is speaking. Just keep your Twitter app on mute. And I think that should hopefully cut down on some of that.
00:11:32 Speaker 6
OK, got it. Then all I have to do is just be muted. Whenever you're not sharing and that echo won't be a problem.
00:11:38 Speaker 6
OK. OK. Continue, nick.
00:11:40 Speaker 1
Keep us in the loop on that and if you guys need to take breaks periodically, just just feel free to jump off and take a moment and you, you know anything, it's fine. So as I was saying, we're going for succinctness, politeness. No grants when we get to the Q&A, that's not what we're here for. If you got a question, ask your quick question and get the response. You know, we can follow up the conversation in many ways.
00:11:59 Speaker 1
But we're not here for people to go on soliloquies today. I'll just. Again, I was kind of saying I met Danny very briefly. Kind of a satellite event to the main disclosure project event that happened. I believe this was in 2001 around the main NPC.
00:12:13 Speaker 1
There was like another event you could go to and sign up for as a member of the public. It was a little less press oriented that if you're on Greers mailing list, you know you could go. And I live in Baltimore and my girlfriend and I went down and had the pleasure of kind of being introduced to the presence that is Danny Sheehan. Like, kind of weirdly, Danny and my favorite college professor, who I was.
00:12:32 Speaker 1
Was closest to they kind of brushed elbows doing Latin American work around Iran Contra.
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Other stuff in the 80s, so like it was funny because kind of this multi generational involvement with Danny Sheehan working issues and you know I was able to bump into him again on July. I think what was it July 6 at the hearing which I was able to get into Danny and Steve Bassett were like right in front of me in the room there. And you see us in a lot of the shots and.
00:12:57 Speaker 1
Yeah, I was able to say hi to Danny and thank him for his many decades of work around various issues, including, of course, the AP issue. So Danny, it's such a pleasure to have you on to and I think how we'll get this started and what I think everyone is really curious about because we hear a lot of different things like I've heard different things.
00:13:13 Speaker 1
In like the last you know, few hours out, the status of the UA PDA as you understand it, where are we at in the negotiation process? Is it close to the sided? Do we have weeks yet? I've heard rumors that maybe some language on what might resemble a more final ADA could be essentially imminent within a day or two. But you know, we also have this sense that we want to be.
00:13:34 Speaker 1
Active and the the public should be engaged and loud, kind of in taking the the Yogi Berra. It's it ain't over till it's over approach. So I'm really curious just from from your end of the trench. Where are we at with the UAP PDA right now?
00:13:48 Speaker 11
OK. Can you hear me? OK, you guys still sound like you're off in.
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A fire? Just a.
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Room somewhere. Can you hear me OK.
00:13:53 Speaker 1
No, but you found you sound great. You sound great.
00:13:56 Speaker 6
They can hear you, honey.
00:13:58 Speaker 11
Yeah, I can hear you.
00:13:59 Speaker 11
Can't hear them very well.
00:14:00 Speaker 6
The question is, what's the current?
00:14:04 Speaker 11
OK, here's here's the story the The the bill, as drafted primarily by the Senate Intelligence Committee staff, was was approved by the Senate by a vote of 89 to 11 as part of the National Defense.
00:14:23 Speaker 11
It went over to the house side, the house side, the the eight people who are causing lots of trouble. Time the ones that are trying to block Kevin McCarthy's speakership and all that they inserted into the body of the National Defense Authorization Act, which is some 1000 pages long.
00:14:43 Speaker 11
Inserted half a dozen extremely reactionary kind of social positions, like printing the expenditure of any of the defense budget to provide any kind of contraceptives for anybody in the military.
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Prohibiting the payment for any information used to to train people on racial sensitivity or identification sensitivity or gay or lesbian rights issues, they they put all of these amendments into the National Defense Authorization Act.
00:15:17 Speaker 11
So for that reason, the the Democrats all in the House of Representatives voted against the National Defense Authorization Act.
00:15:27 Speaker 11
Because they wouldn't approve it without language. And so the the vote was something like 219 Republicans, or 219 to to 211 or something. But anyway, that they they approved it. But all the Democrats voted against it and so that it had to go to a conference committee. Now, nobody.
00:15:47 Speaker 11
Touched any of the language. The 64 pages that have been inserted.
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Into the into.
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That version is called the Schumer rounds amendment that dealt with the AP issues. Nobody either in the house or the Senate attempted to change any of that language.
00:16:02 Speaker 11
But when the.
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The bill the House bill with this half dozen social, let's call them conservative or reactionary amendments in it, had to go to the Conference committee immediately. The chairman, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence.
00:16:23 Speaker 11
Maddie, whose name is Burger immediately who's the provisions in the UAP in the the.
00:16:32 Speaker 11
Bill, now it turns out that Mike Turner is from the 10th Congressional District in Ohio, which is the home base not only of the Wright Patterson Air Force Base, but it's also the chief field Office for Radiance Technologies, which is a a high tech aerospace.
00:16:52 Speaker 11
Industry that is working on a program called Prompt Global.
00:16:57 Speaker 11
Right, which is the attempt to back engineer UFO technology. They have apparently secured from the another aerospace industry, and that they're attempting to build a not just a supersonic missile, but a missile.
00:17:18 Speaker 11
The functions with UFO technology that in fact can travel at 20,000 miles an hour.
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With no air resistance and can turn at a 90° angle at 20,000 miles number so that they've they've apparently been able to to back engineer that specific propulsion system.
00:17:43 Speaker 11
And that is their chief field office over in the in the 10th Congressional District in Ohio. And so the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, the Republican chairman, Mike Turner, opposed the bill. And what he said he opposed.
00:17:58 Speaker 11
The provision that would have empowered the Board of review that was provided for in the Schumer bill with the power to exercise eminent domain on behalf of the American government to retake possession and of any technology that had been put into the hands of any aerospace industry.
00:18:20 Speaker 11
By whatever the deep state element is that has been in charge of this super above top secret seat of UFO technology from the craft saucers.
00:18:32 Speaker 11
And is also in possession of the biological evidence of a non human intelligence that is, in best our judgment, extraterrestrial in origin. But it presents itself as appearing to be extradimensional because of the way that it it propels itself.
00:18:52 Speaker 11
In travel, so the bottom line is.
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Mike Turner was the.
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First one to oppose the portion of.
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The bill having to.
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Do with the eminent domain power of the board. They have to be created by the bill.
00:19:05 Speaker 11
He also opposed the subpoena power, which means that if, in fact any aerospace industry or any one of the six military services or anyone of the 18 U.S. intelligence agencies or any one of the 32 Defense Department agencies or any of them who simply refused to provide.
00:19:25 Speaker 11
Information to the board that was created by that there was no subpoena power to make them.
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Do it so he.
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Took a shot at the two enforcement provisions of the bill, the eminent domain size to recover the technology and the subpoena power to force turn over the information that was required by the statue.
00:19:44 Speaker 11
Now he then enlisted the support because say that radiant radiance technology is.
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In his home, his home.
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Congressional District, right next to the Wright Patterson Air Space, which is, as we all know it all, is the place where the UFO craft that was recovered the debris.
00:20:04 Speaker 11
Was recovered from Roswell back in July of 1947, was taken OK and that they've always played an instrumental in the housing and the sequestration of this UFO technology.
00:20:17 Speaker 11
And Turner and enlisted the support of a guy named Mike Rogers. He is the Republican chair of the House Oversight Committee in his home district is the 2nd district of Alabama. And that is in Huntsville, AL, where the Redstone rocket missile testing facility is.
00:20:37 Speaker 11
The main one for the United.
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States and it is the Headquarters office of Radiant Technology.
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And radiant Technologies, as I mentioned, is the group that is working on this. Applying the UFO technology to our US nuclear missiles. And it is, it is called the the prompt global strike program.
00:21:00 Speaker 11
That is trying.
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To design A missile that will travel from.
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The United States launched to the.
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Through Russia or China in under 2 min.
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At at at Super UFO speeds and is absolutely unstoppable and is unable to be defended against and would be able to hit the Russia or China before they even had were aware of the fact that it was on its way because it's totally invisible to radar now. This is a horrendous use.
00:21:29 Speaker 11
Of the UFO technology.
00:21:32 Speaker 11
On behalf of the United States Deep State, and they have been concealing this technology from not only some Presidents and secretaries of defense and of course, secretaries of state, and they've been, they've been concealing it from the United States Congress, even the intelligence committees, because they have been so bent upon.
00:21:51 Speaker 11
Maintaining exclusivity over this technology.
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That they were lying to Congress about it, asserting that they had never recovered any UFO technology. They were still maintaining up until 2017 that UFO's weren't even real.
00:22:08 Speaker 1
Tyler, I just, I just wanted to jump in briefly and you know see if we can steer it.
00:22:09 Speaker 11
So the least. Yeah, what?
00:22:13 Speaker 1
Just a little bit more back, specially the UAP.
00:22:15 Speaker 1
A status and another question, I'll interject, but I really do want to hear Denny's views on state.
00:22:20 Speaker 1
Is this information on Radiance, which he's alluded to before? This would seem to be highly compartmented classified information that relates to this kind of adaptation of UAP technology by this particular corporation. Can Danny characterize not specifically by name? That would obviously be inappropriate.
00:22:40 Speaker 1
Kind of wild but.
00:22:41 Speaker 1
You know, at least kind of where?
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That kind of information is coming from how he gets access.
00:22:47 Speaker 1
To this is.
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This through former insiders who were read into these programs. Is this through anything he's hearing from elected officials?
00:22:53 Speaker 1
Is this you know other other sources that he has access to, so I'd like to know kind of where this information on radiance at least generally is emerging from. But again with this resistance that might come down to this particular corporate entity and this particular program potentially, what's the status, how is that site going right now?
00:23:15 Speaker 11
Well, the the the fact of the matter is it's true and that I've gone so far as to name the project, the projects code name this this prompt global strike program and the and one of the technology companies that is in control of it and the IT explains.
00:23:36 Speaker 11
Why Turner, who is who is the congressman from the office where their principles is Wright, Patterson and why this other Mike Rogers, who is the Congressperson from the Congressional District where the Redstone missile test facility is, where they're testing this, this technology, and that's why.
00:23:56 Speaker 11
These two guys.
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Are the first ones who came forward to totally resist the the the actual eminent domain power in this statute? And when we confronted them and said, look at why would you objecting to the eminent domain capacity of the board?
00:24:13 Speaker 11
If in fact there's no such tucking up, and if in fact there's no private aerospace corporations who are in possession of it, and what happened because they were so to this particular eminent domain provision, I reached out to our sources that I have had for years that have worked with us with in the Iran.
00:24:32 Speaker 11
Upper case, they worked with us in the Karisoke case. That's how we found out about the smuggling of the 98% pure bomb grade plutonium out of the Kermie nuclear facility in Oklahoma to Israel and to Iran under the Shah. It's the same way that we found out these sources the same way we found out in the Iran Contra case, that they were smuggling the weapons.
00:24:53 Speaker 11
Through Ilopango, the El Salvadorian military base into John Hall's ranch down in Costa Rica, into the the Contras. This this is a an alliance of actually primarily former U.S. military intelligence.
00:25:10 Speaker 11
People that that I've been in communication with all the way back to the time when I was one of the lawyers for the New York Times and the Pentagon Papers case where I where I developed a relationship at that time with the commander of the of the CID, the Criminal Investigations Division of the US Army.
00:25:30 Speaker 11
Who's passed away now? But there we have a dozen at least. Actually, more than that particular people who are deeply embedded intelligence officials who have taken a position posed to the criminal use of the the secrecy. There's.
00:25:48 Speaker 11
Provided to the intelligence agencies, the pursuit to which they're not only smuggling weapons to to extreme reactionary people around the world, but they're smuggling coc*ine and her*in, and they're and they're secretly utilizing gold that has been recovered from the Philippines. This is all true.
00:26:10 Speaker 11
And these people were so offended at the what was going on in the deep bowels of the national security state that they've made the information available to.
00:26:19 Speaker 11
To me, I've been in the past in these other cases in, in this particular instance, even though there's no litigation underway against this, I've been taking the position in support of the Schumer bill that look, unless you're willing to accept this, Schumer rounds bill. This sets up a very responsible.
00:26:40 Speaker 11
Constitutionally sound procedure by means of which the UFO information can be provided to the Congress of the United States, specifically to the intelligence agencies. You know, we're going to keep coming forward with this information, you know, and either you set up a responsible process by means of which this can be provided to the.
00:27:00 Speaker 11
Or we're going to demonstrate to you that we're in possession of this information.
00:27:05 Speaker 11
And we're going.
00:27:05 Speaker 11
To come forward with the information, you have enough specifics about the information to be able to track it down and verify it, so that's that's this process that I've been using for 50 years. You know, like the way that when people wanted to know.
00:27:20 Speaker 11
When we published the Pentagon Papers back in June of 1971 that, you know, I'm.
00:27:25 Speaker 11
The one that.
00:27:25 Speaker 11
Got the call from the New York Times and.
00:27:27 Speaker 11
James Goodell, who was chief counsel for the.
00:27:29 Speaker 11
Dark times that they called me because.
00:27:32 Speaker 11
I was the.
00:27:32 Speaker 11
One that initiated the case that went to the United States Supreme Court to establish the right of journalists to protect their confidential news sources. And so we had to protect the confidential news source in that case of Neil Sheehan, who later it was obviously discovered that it was Dan Ellsberg. But.
00:27:49 Speaker 11
At the time, I refuse to tell anybody who the source was. I've refused to tell anybody who the source was in the the So good case. I refused to tell anybody who the sources were in Iran.
00:28:02 Speaker 11
After case because what I was doing is putting forth the details that were adequate for anybody who had the capacity to do so, to verify the credibility of the information and the the access to their sources through the people that provided it to us is not the point here. You know that this this is a this is a a super first strike.
00:28:23 Speaker 11
Weapon that is is under process of being developed right now and being tested and there needs to be a.
00:28:30 Speaker 11
Three that in the United States has to be the one that comes forth and proposes this treaty, because at the present time, the United States is the only one who has thoroughly developed this technology into a potentially deployable missile system. Right now. If this is the critical time in which they have to come forward through President.
00:28:51 Speaker 11
And they have to reach out to, to Putin and Russia, they have to reach out to Jason in in and offer this treaty while they are the ones to the advantage of this, they have to, they have to lay down this weapon. They have to lay it down and and allow this to be disassembled. You can't have this.
00:29:12 Speaker 11
But because it totally destabilizes the entire nuclear architecture, has been put in place over decades, which I've been working on since I was back as Chief counsel of the United States Jesuit headquarters in their Social Ministry office. You know, for 10 years in Washington.
00:29:27 Speaker 11
That this is an extraordinarily important moment here, and that this is one of the reasons the secrecy of this particular program is one of the so-called family jewels that that they've been trying to protect and not allow anybody to know about.
00:29:39
Do you?
00:29:43 Speaker 11
It we we.
00:29:44 Speaker 11
Offered them an opportunity. We offered them an opportunity to set up a program.
00:29:48 Speaker 11
Whereby they could keep that potential wisdom confidential if they chose to do so, but they've come forward now, led by people that are basically.
00:29:58 Speaker 11
On the payroll.
00:29:59 Speaker 11
Of the private aerospace industry, you know, to try to block this bill.
00:30:05 Speaker 11
And so that what we're doing is coming forward now with some of the specific pieces been mentioned to let them know that if they if they don't let this bill get passed, if they don't pass this Schumer rounds bill, this sets up this responsible process by means of which to to provide the information world about the UFO technology.
00:30:24 Speaker 11
That it is real. The fact that it is under the supervision.
00:30:27 Speaker 11
Of a non human.
00:30:28 Speaker 11
Intelligence there this. This is a piece of vision that we have now chosen to reveal publicly, and we will reveal more information if they don't back off and allow this statute to get passed.
00:30:42 Speaker 1
Are are you getting a sense that that is an effective negotiating tactic based on what you're hearing from the hill right now as these negotiations continue to unfold is?
00:30:51 Speaker 1
That you know the.
00:30:52 Speaker 1
The the risk of more information about this program and and rating specifically you know getting light showing on it. Is it going to tip the scales? Are these people going to kind of gamble?
00:31:03 Speaker 1
With it and just see what happens and still resist the action being.
00:31:06 Speaker 1
You know, have teeth in it at all. Clearly you need the subpoena power. Eminent domain seems like a no brainer if these things make typical nuclear weapons look like a joke, it's it's hard to imagine how you know the US government wouldn't be able to assert a right to control that technology at any given moment, you know, and not have it completely under the control of a private corporation.
00:31:27 Speaker 1
When we would never do that with even just typical nuclear weapons. So is this risk to airing the program enough to get the UA PDA passed in a meaningful way, or do you think they're gonna take a risk on it and we may have to just see how this keeps unfolding through some of these other mechanisms that you're talking about?
00:31:43 Speaker 11
It's it's it's not clear.
00:31:44 Speaker 11
Yet that that. But but we know that the Sandia Labs are involved as well as radiant technology in CA. CI International in Virginia is directly involved in this. You know that we know who that we know who the companies are and we know that these people have been providing.
00:32:05 Speaker 11
To both Turner.
00:32:06 Speaker 11
And to Rogers, you know, in this this is completely untoward. They're basically bribing the members of Congress to to keep this this secret in in, in the. In the meantime, they're keeping secret from the entire world, the existence of an extraterrestrial civilization, the fact that we're in possession of their.
00:32:27 Speaker 11
And that there's every indication that there's been some sort.
00:32:30 Speaker 11
Of communications going.
00:32:31 Speaker 11
On with them, and they're keeping the entire world in the dark about this. Now saying I don't know whether they're going to yield to this, this type of option. This is just exactly like we did in the Pentagon Papers. We told the Nixon administration.
00:32:47 Speaker 11
That we were going to the New York Times, we're going to be publishing portions of this and they came forward and demanded an injunction from the from the federal court in the Southern District of New York against.
00:32:59 Speaker 11
And they refused. They refused to communicate to us what the pieces of information were that they thought would irreparably damage the national security of the United States, that they were revealed, and because they wouldn't do that. We came forward with the all 47 volumes. And that's what that's what's happening here again, you know, either they're going to accept a reasonable.
00:33:19 Speaker 11
Processed by means of which this information can be vetted.
00:33:23 Speaker 11
Or in fact, we're going to come forward with this information and what I'm in the process of doing, we are just trying to see whether or not the United States Congress is willing to hold hearings. The Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight Committee, are they willing to hold more hearings where they're going to have more people come forward?
00:33:43 Speaker 11
Of these sources that we have and provide the information openly to Congress in less, they're going to provide for the existence of this. This records review board.
00:33:55 Speaker 11
And give us subpoena power to undertake an investigation. So our at least our intelligence committees can find out about this information. The fact, the fact that the the people in the arms industry and the Central Intelligence Agencies Operations Directorate and others are involved in in this and they distrust.
00:34:15 Speaker 11
Our own United States Senators and Congress, people in the intelligence committees who have high level clearances from being informed about this is absolutely outrageous, is fundamentally unconstitutional, and that that's my perspective. My perspective is as a.
00:34:30 Speaker 11
It's the Co founder of the Harvard Civil Rights Law Review back in 1968, and a student of Professor Lawrence Tribe in the constitutional law field. You know, I know perfectly well that this is unconstitutional and therefore we have a responsibility as citizens to move forward to do what is necessary to get the.
00:34:50 Speaker 11
Information given to our Congress and if these people won't reveal it.
00:34:55 Speaker 11
To the Congress.
00:34:58 Speaker 1
Danny, before I turn this over to Joe and Lester, to get a few questions in before we then move it on to kind of.
00:35:03 Speaker 1
Taking audience questions.
00:35:04 Speaker 1
Let me ask you this. The public through to classify you AP, my organization, UAP Caucus, which is Lester's organization, other tools just direct outreach has been going crazy, reaching out to our elected officials.
00:35:18 Speaker 1
Both peoples, you know, personal representatives as constituents, they're also a broader swath of representatives who have either attached themselves to the AP issue or who are key people in the negotiation process of the A PDA and the ND.
00:35:32 Speaker 1
Say a what can you say to members of the public who I think universally pretty much not? Maybe. Ted, the last person, but most people agree with your take that this seems just like a radically off base situation. It seems blatantly unconstitutional. All sorts of weird stuff going on, not to mention just potentially fast and drifting off of other resources and funds that are made available for different programs.
00:35:54 Speaker 1
What can the public continue to do? Not just now in support of the UAP PPDA, but how do you?
00:36:00 Speaker 1
The public engagement side, as advocates around UAP transparency as activists continue to unfold and get even more powerful and and maybe even more coordinated, like just how do you see the movement of this, the movement side affecting all of these processes and and how that continues to take place in the future.
00:36:18 Speaker 11
I think what people need to do is they need to to immediately, you know, go on the Internet and go to new Paradigm Institute dot.
00:36:27 Speaker 11
Word and find who their congressional representative is. That's there at that site has got their e-mail addresses. It's got all the names of their United States senators and what they need to do is is broadcast this information to every friend and family member.
00:36:41 Speaker 11
That they have.
00:36:43 Speaker 11
You know, and get them to contact the senators and the Congress people.
00:36:47 Speaker 11
And tell them that they absolutely have to pass the Schumer rounds amendment as originally written and get it inserted into the National Defense Authority.
00:36:57 Speaker 11
Creation act. They've got to do that right now because we have to be able to demonstrate to these people in the deep state and deeply into these Arab secret aerospace industries that we got to demonstrate to them that the citizens of our country have the ability to immobilize and to focus on an issue and to reach out to their congressional representatives.
00:37:17 Speaker 11
And insist that they exercise their constitutional responsibility.
00:37:23 Speaker 11
To exercise oversight over these programs, as of right now, you know that it's it's not even clear that the President of the United States knows about these programs and has no ability to determine, you know what, what deployment is going to be made of this weapon system? What type of you remember all the way back into the 1992 US missile?
00:37:43 Speaker 11
The the person who was on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who was the head of.
00:37:47 Speaker 11
The United States Air Force, you know, he was.
00:37:49 Speaker 11
Trying to instigate a.
00:37:51 Speaker 11
Thermonuclear war with Russia.
00:37:53 Speaker 11
You know over the island of Cuba they they actually advocated that in the Northwoods project. They actually advocated dressing up Cuban refugees. You know, who fled from the Batista regime in Cuba, dressing them up in, in the Cuban uniforms and attacking the Guantanamo military base and killing.
00:38:14 Speaker 11
American service people, they proposed blowing.
00:38:18 Speaker 11
Private shopping malls in Miami and specifically targeting killing people from the Cuban refugee community in order to instigate a a nuclear war with Russia because they thought that we had a particular advantage in military at that time and that if we could instigate a a a nuclear war, we could win, you know, this is ridiculous.
00:38:38 Speaker 11
The way these people think in right now, the major danger is, is that, well, they're in possession of this particular UFO technology and that they believe that they're on the brink of having it.
00:38:48 Speaker 11
Deployable, you know that. Who knows what kind of decisions they're going.
00:38:52 Speaker 11
To make left.
00:38:54 Speaker 11
Unsupervised by our United States Congress and by the the elected representatives.
00:39:00 Speaker 11
Then they did. So this is what we have to do right at this particular moment. You know that now the fact that this is.
00:39:05 Speaker 11
Intertwined with probably one of the most important secrets in the history of the world, not this particular weapon system, though this is a terrible situation we're faced with here, but the whole fact that there, that there exists this extraterrestrial civilization in which we are.
00:39:20 Speaker 11
To surround it in the.
00:39:23 Speaker 11
You know, and that they're keeping this information secret and they want to be the arbiters of what our relationship is going to be with this extraterrestrial civilization. And we know perfectly well what they think the relationship ought to be. That ought to be that. We are in a position of some military superiority over them. That's the that's they do that as their mission assignment.
00:39:44 Speaker 11
And they cannot be allowed to be the ones that are making decisions about these policies anymore than they can be allowed to be the ones to make decisions. The deployment of such a weapons system.
00:39:53 Speaker 11
You know, so that and they clearly would oppose having any treaty where they they give up their unique advantage that they think they have by having developed this technology as far as they have already.
00:40:06 Speaker 11
So that's that's what I I think I don't know what I don't know what what effect this has had yet. I do know that that Senator Schumer has gone to the floor yesterday of the Senate and and specifically called out these specific Republican opponents to his bill in the in the we've been told that he he is.
00:40:28 Speaker 11
Resisting allowing this bill to be gutted and then put into the Nations Authorization Act and give the American people in the world the entirely false impression that there is an effective agency of any kind that is trying to extract this information from the deep state and.
00:40:47 Speaker 11
Provide it to our Congress.
00:40:48 Speaker 11
But they they can't. They can't allow a completely fraudulent bill to be put in. And not only that, but nobody of sound responsibility will be willing to serve on a board of review over these issues if they don't have subpoena power or the power to reclaim the technology into the hands of the American government and put it under the control.
00:41:08 Speaker 11
Of our Congress.
00:41:10 Speaker 11
So so this this has to the people need to come forward and in short answer to your question right now.
00:41:18 Speaker 11
We need to go to the the new paradigm institute.org website, get the the private emails of all of the members of the Senate in the in the house and reach out to everybody you know and spread this word and get before they finalize this. Because once they finalize the the, whatever format this bill is is going to be going into the National Defense.
00:41:39 Speaker 11
Authorization act. If they finalize it without the eminent domain power, without the subpoena power.
00:41:45 Speaker 11
Without the kind of authority to really extract this information and put it into the hands of our Congress, if they put it on a bill, it will occupy the space and everybody will be told falsely, that there's an actual operation underway to to responsibly process this information and it will be true any more than the the present Arrow office.
00:42:05 Speaker 11
Has been viewed to.
00:42:06 Speaker 11
Be function. The error is is the the the.
00:42:09 Speaker 11
Whistle lawyers blower.
00:42:10 Speaker 11
Don't even want to come forward and give the information to the Arrow office because they.
00:42:13 Speaker 11
Don't believe they're.
00:42:14 Speaker 11
Going to do anything about it because they're under the control of the Defense Department and the intelligence agencies, not under the control of Congress.
00:42:20 Speaker 6
And I'd also like to echo Denny's call to action. The New Paradigm Institute website has a very intuitive and streamlined process where you can simply input your information, your address, your ZIP code, and send a message template that was designed by the NPI team directly to your representatives.
00:42:38 Speaker 1
Joe, I want to have you jump in next. I know you have a bunch of questions. I'm sure you have a bunch of additional questions now after hearing a lot from Danny already. What is top of mind for you? And I'll take it in any direction that you that you want to take it.
00:42:50 Speaker 8
In man, I just first of all thanks for doing this. Danny. I wanted to stick just once on the radiance technology question.
00:42:57 Speaker 8
It's my understanding that Jay Stratton was.
00:43:00 Speaker 8
The one who owned.
00:43:01 Speaker 8
The crash retrieval program and then.
00:43:03 Speaker 8
Brought in David Grush to confirm the information which he did in a big way with his colleagues. You've said on another show on that UPS that UFO podcast that Jay Stratton and Travis Taylor were basically bribed hundreds of thousands of dollars to work Indians to take a position against the Schumer bill, which didn't come out until like 14 months after they were hired.
00:43:23 Speaker 8
So that's a really strong accusation that questions their their integrity and I wanted to.
00:43:27 Speaker 8
See if you.
00:43:28 Speaker 8
Would like a chance to retract that.
00:43:31 Speaker 11
Well, I've. I've already sent a note to Jay on this look.
00:43:34 Speaker 11
It isn't it.
00:43:35 Speaker 11
Isn't my intention of attacking Jay or Travis on this? You know that the the the fact is that this this practice on the part of industry reaching into the.
00:43:44 Speaker 11
Government of the United.
00:43:45 Speaker 11
States and and extracting people from the.
00:43:48 Speaker 11
Inner workings of our.
00:43:49 Speaker 11
American government to be brought into their.
00:43:52 Speaker 11
Corporations to provide some kind of inside information to them and to give them kind of a a competitive advantage over other people has been going on for decades.
00:44:01 Speaker 11
But with regard to this particular issue, this issue of the the UFO reality, the extraterrestrial reality is of such importance that what I did is it it it. I've already told them that I didn't intend to continue to pull on this rope with them personally, but I felt necessary to tell.
00:44:22 Speaker 11
What it is that radiance technology is doing in the same way that I've that I've found it to be necessary to tell people about CA CI International to tell them about Sandia Laboratories. Are the ones that are working on these programs to to direct some kind of direct citizen pressure?
00:44:40 Speaker 11
Congress to get the information from these companies that they have, you know that they got subpoena power, the the oversight committees got subpoena power. They can go get this information from them. But I what I'm proposing is that they refrain from opposing this particular bill. You.
00:44:58 Speaker 11
Know that that if.
00:45:00 Speaker 11
If if they want to, if people want to go to work, these aerospace industries like I guess unless Congress passes legislation prohibiting.
00:45:06 Speaker 11
Them from doing.
00:45:07 Speaker 11
That which I think they should, you know, they just have to stop exercising the kind of hurting that they have in credibility. They have to try to stop this bill.
00:45:16 Speaker 11
And that's that's one thing, but I I've I've sent a note to them saying that I don't tend to get into an internal fight with people who have spent a lot of time trying to generate some disclosure that this, but this, this bill in its written form has to pass and that people going to, you know, their.
00:45:36 Speaker 11
Congressional representatives in Florida and in Utah and other places, and trying to talk to them into opposing this bill. I just want people.
00:45:45 Speaker 11
To stop doing.
00:45:46 Speaker 1
That sounds very fair, Lester. I'd like to have you jump in next. I'm sure you've got a bunch of questions of your own lined up. Is there anything top of mind, either on the activism front or relating to radiance? You know, looking at their website now. And it's interesting because, you know, they speak to space programs, hypersonics directed energy. They do have hundreds and hundreds of employees. They might be a useful firm to kind of.
00:46:07 Speaker 1
Put something into that was working on these kind of things, but there isn't a ton of information on them. You know, they, they, they have a typical kind of contractor, you know, can website, but I encourage people to look at it, it's just radiance.
00:46:19 Speaker 1
Dot com and again the hypersonic stuff is something I've been keeping a close eye on for decades, so it is interesting to see that they're in there. Lester, what thoughts come top of mind before we start taking some audience questions? Next I'll.
00:46:31 Speaker 5
Just quickly take this in a slightly different direction and thank you again Danny for joining us today. I think I kind of want to be a little bit forward-looking perhaps.
00:46:39 Speaker 5
To get you to kind of help us, I think you have great context having done large social impact issues in the past where you know, assuming whether it's the easy way or the hard way, this conversation moves forward in the public dialogue. What are your perspectives on what the spectrum of legal implications?
00:46:58 Speaker 5
Will potentially be or look like the you know idea of a truth and reconciliation Commission. What kind of, you know, class action lawsuits. What? What are the potential directions or a vantage point of having the information? Do you see this going again? Presuming there's an easy way or a hard way to move to the next stage here?
00:47:17 Speaker 11
Well, my my opinion is is that the the critical question is whether or not the Schumer amendment, the Schumer rounds amendment as drafted, is going to be inserted into the National Defense author.
00:47:29 Speaker 11
Position act and and this board is going to be appointed by the President to undertake the activities that have been specifically authorized by Congress. If it is, then we're going to be in one world, if in fact it is just if, if in fact Schumer stands up and says look.
00:47:49 Speaker 11
Unless you are willing.
00:47:50 Speaker 11
To put it in as written and and all you're gonna do is try to water it down.
00:47:54 Speaker 11
And put in a, A a fake bill.
00:47:56 Speaker 11
That he would stand up and totally oppose any bill being put into the Defense Authorization Act pertaining to this so that we could then approach it in some different way. But we can't have the space occupied by a phony bill and so that that if in fact we can succeed getting it put in.
00:48:16 Speaker 11
Then the the next step will be to make sure that that that the proper people are appointed to that particular board. The EU AP Records review.
00:48:27 Speaker 11
Is provided for in the statute that I have recommended a number of. I am one of the the people, our organization, the, the new Paradigm Institute, one of the organizations along with the the majority and minority leaders of the Senate and the majority and minority leaders of the house, the Secretary of Defense and others.
00:48:46 Speaker 11
Who have been.
00:48:47 Speaker 11
Authorized to to nominate people before this board our our new Paradigm Institute has has designed a set of people to be appointed to this board or at least nominated by to by the President.
00:49:02 Speaker 11
And that will be the next step to focus on who the members of that board are going to be. And once that gets established, is making sure that that board does its job and that very importantly that the military services, the intelligence agencies and the Defense Department agencies, importantly the private aerospace interests who have been.
00:49:22 Speaker 11
Put into possession of some of this UFO technology are ordered to to turn that information over to the to the Senate Intelligence Committee, to the House Oversight Committee, and through this board.
00:49:34 Speaker 11
That, that, that there are steps that need to be taken one after another depending depending about which of these worlds we end up in, if we end up in the world with the board operational, then our new Paradigm Institute is right there on Capitol Hill that we are perhaps the only civilian organization.
00:49:53 Speaker 11
That is, that is.
00:49:54 Speaker 11
Office inside the Federal Enclave designated in the statute as being one of the ones to participate in this process. We're going to be exercising oversight authority on behalf of the.
00:50:05 Speaker 11
History to make sure that this board is is functioning appropriately and that the military services and intelligence agencies and private corporations are in fact responding to the order of Congress to turn this information over. And we're going to be involved as the board releases information for public.
00:50:27 Speaker 11
Understanding of what's going on.
00:50:29 Speaker 11
We are going.
00:50:29 Speaker 11
To be participating as the new Paradigm Institute and helping to organize and structure that information and make it public to people so that they can understand what it is that's being said and what the full implications really are not not only from a an economic point of view about what the impact might be on the the various inventions.
00:50:49 Speaker 11
The technology that might be derived from the UFO technology in a peaceful manner, but very importantly, we hope to lead the way in insisting that.
00:50:58 Speaker 11
There be a.
00:50:58 Speaker 11
Treaty, as I mentioned earlier, prohibiting the use of any of this technology to develop any weapon systems of any kind.
00:51:07 Speaker 11
And we're also going to be deeply involved in trying to develop a new alternative worldview that takes into account the existence of this extraterrestrial civilization and our place in it so that we no longer believe that even though we've been forced to acknowledge all the way back to Copernicus and Galileo.
00:51:27 Speaker 11
That were not physically in the center of.
00:51:29 Speaker 11
The entire universe.
00:51:31 Speaker 11
But they most people still believe through the spectrum of human worldviews that we abide at the apex of the pyramid of all sentient life and.
00:51:39 Speaker 11
Reverse and we have to come to grips with the reality that that's not true, that we can't be thrown into.
00:51:46 Speaker 11
The position of.
00:51:46 Speaker 11
Believing that we value.
00:51:47 Speaker 11
At all that somehow.
00:51:49 Speaker 11
Our whole human culture is going to as though we are some island in the South Pacific that discovered in.
00:51:54 Speaker 11
The 1950s.
00:51:55 Speaker 11
That there was an outside.
00:51:56 Speaker 11
World, you know.
00:51:57 Speaker 11
We we, the new Paradigm Institute is going to be instrumental in helping to work with.
00:52:01 Speaker 11
All of our citizens groups to develop a new, constructive, holistic worldview that places our human species in the proper relationship to the extraterrestrial.
00:52:11 Speaker 1
Danny, I wanna.
00:52:11 Speaker 11
We know it's coming.
00:52:12 Speaker 1
I wanna make sure we get. I'm because we have a lot of people who have requested to speak and I'm I'm, I hope both questions and answers. We can try to keep as succinct as possible, cuz I wanna get to a lot of folks. Moe, you've put so much work into informing people about what's going on with all of this legislation and political activity through disclosure Diaries.
00:52:30 Speaker 1
Wanna recommend disclosurediaries.com to everyone here? Check it out. It's great. And updates. Mom, I'd love to have you jump in.
00:52:36 Speaker 1
With your next.
00:52:40 Speaker 13
Hey. Yeah. Thanks for for hosting this. It's been a great conversation so far and I really appreciate the shout.
00:52:45 Speaker 13
Out, Nick, as usual. You have me blushing, Danny. Thanks again for for doing this as well. And thanks for all of the work you've done in the past. Ah, genuine inspiration, especially from a constitutional perspective. I think you've done some of the most important work.
00:53:00 Speaker 13
That I've I've come across on that in that regard.
00:53:03 Speaker 13
The question that I have is pretty simple. You've you've been in the past as well on the role of the President and perhaps more broadly, the White House in supporting the UPDAI was wondering if you could shed any light on that and perhaps even on the White House's involvement on the drafting of the UA PDA in its original form.
00:53:23 Speaker 11
Well, OK, let's take the one time the the the fact is, is that the the original drafting of the wording of the statute went on primarily inside the Senate Intelligence Committee staff.
00:53:37 Speaker 11
It was led by Senator Rubio from Florida. As you know, he is the United States senator for Lou Elizondo. I legally represent Lou Elizondo and was the co-author with him of his formal complaint that he lodged with the Inspector General, the Defense Department, protesting.
00:53:57 Speaker 11
The fact that the the the Defense Department and intelligence agencies were lying to the United States Congress and to.
00:54:04 Speaker 11
The President and others about the.
00:54:06 Speaker 11
Program and the that we know that the therefore Senator Rubio led the the activity inside the Senate Intelligence Committee to draft this legislation. It went through a larger process of being addressed by the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee. The the full bill.
00:54:26 Speaker 11
In its present form, drafted by them, there were legal counsel for the the Senate Intelligence Committee that were involved a a number of them actually out in private practice. Now that have retired from the the government. But this bill has been in the in process for some time now.
00:54:45 Speaker 11
And and that's why the references that were made.
00:54:46 Speaker 11
Earlier that oh, you know.
00:54:49 Speaker 11
Before the bill was even put into the House, other things had taken place. The fact of the matter is, this bill has been under.
00:54:55 Speaker 11
Construction for some.
00:54:56 Speaker 11
Time now you can see that it's a full 64 pages with intimate details of how the process should go forward.
00:55:04 Speaker 11
And we've been involved even before the voting on the bill inside the National Defense Authorization Act in its original form, you know, was undertaken. We were interviewing people as prospective members of the.
00:55:17 Speaker 11
Work. So we've been at this for some time now. That's that's how the process began. And then the we we got to vote 17 to nothing inside the Senate Intelligence Committee with Republicans and Democrats all voting to support this and we.
00:55:36 Speaker 11
We then got.
00:55:37 Speaker 11
Senator Gillibrand came on board in support of the bill so that we had Rubio and Gillibrand as senior people.
00:55:47 Speaker 11
On the bill.
00:55:47 Speaker 11
We got Mark Warner, who was the chairman of the Intelligence Committee when the Denver in charge of the Senate, he.
00:55:52 Speaker 11
Came forward and.
00:55:53 Speaker 11
Spilled and we finally got the senator Schumer himself.
00:55:57 Speaker 11
To Co sponsor the bill. And then we reached out to rounds in South Dakota to come forward. And so we we've constructed a a representative cross section of Republicans and Democrats that that virtually unanimously support. This particular bill. Is this a responsible way of going about this?
00:56:18 Speaker 11
And it's it's bizarre that the that the defense establishment didn't didn't fully support this. You know, it's the people inside the Defense Department who have come to know the most.
00:56:30 Speaker 11
Friends that are the largest supporters of this particular bill so that that the that's the status of the thing right now, we still have a a significant chance if Schumer will tell the House of Representatives and tell Turner basically over in the House to look either this bill goes through and it's and it's originally.
00:56:50 Speaker 11
Drafted form with the the independently appointed board by the President with the subpoena power and with the the power of eminent domain. Or we should have Senator Schumer pull the entire bill.
00:57:03 Speaker 11
And not allow a fake watered down Bill to be put into the National Defense Authorization Act, giving people the false impression that something has been done. That's the key. That's the balance point right now where we're at. And that's why it's so important for citizens to right and go forward and contact their senators and Congress people right now.
00:57:23 Speaker 11
Because they're in.
00:57:24 Speaker 11
The process of trying to finalize this language right this.
00:57:27 Speaker 11
Week, you know, by the and here, here we honesty. And by Friday evening, you know, they're going to be putting the, the the draft of the bill into the hands of the the writers of the National Defense Authorization Act. And once that gets put in, the people are only going to have that to vote up or down as part of the National Defense Authorization Act. So we have.
00:57:47 Speaker 11
Basically about 7-7 days or so the remaining time this week and the weekend to get the information to the Senators and Congress people to assist that this bill be put into the National Defense Authorization Act as written, not amend.
00:58:02 Speaker 1
Danny, I'm gonna bring in some more listeners here who have questions of their own. UA P Gabe. I've got you on there next. And if you're if you're done with your questions, feel free to take yourself back down to just listener or, you know, feel free to stay as speaker. But chances are we aren't necessarily gonna have time. But, Gabe, can you jump in with?
00:58:19 Speaker 1
Your question please, Sir. Yeah. Hey, Nick can.
00:58:22 Speaker 1
Yeah, a little fuzzy on the audio.
00:58:24 Speaker 1
It's a little hot, but we.
00:58:25 Speaker 2
Can hear you pretty clearly. Awesome. OK, I'll be.
00:58:27 Speaker 15
Terse. Hey, Dan.
00:58:28 Speaker 15
Fellow lawyer here and a huge admirer of your career. So in 2025, we're likely to have either President Trump or President Biden, let's presume both of them know we have evidence of non human intelligence.
00:58:42 Speaker 15
But neither of them have chosen to disclose. So my question is this, from a President's perspective, what needs to happen in our society for the President to disclose biological evidence of non human intelligence? Thanks.
00:58:58 Speaker 11
Well the the the answer is clear that the President needs to have the support of Congress to this he needs.
00:59:06 Speaker 11
To have the support of.
00:59:06 Speaker 11
The intelligence community in the intelligence committees in in.
00:59:12 Speaker 11
Both house and.
00:59:12 Speaker 11
Senate to support him that one of the reasons that President Biden has been as successful over the.
00:59:18 Speaker 11
Time he's been in the Senate and was served as the chairman of the the Senate Judiciary Committee. He served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who served as vice president, that he understands that in order to undertake a monumental step of this nature.
00:59:34 Speaker 11
This has to be done by the collective elements of power in our American Government now, given the fact that there is this deep state element that has been secreting this information and attempting to back engineer it in secret, is is is becoming the centerpiece of the.
00:59:54 Speaker 11
Argument is going on only because they're resisting.
00:59:57 Speaker 5
You know if.
00:59:58 Speaker 11
If they will in fact stand down on this, the President has the ability to have this, this board in place that is going to be engaged in a very specifically identified and explicated process by means of wishing to call out the information that can be provided to the public within 100.
01:00:18 Speaker 11
And 80 days.
01:00:19 Speaker 11
After the event, there's a whole process of 300 days being provided to all of the different government agencies and private corpses that possess this information. To put it together in a digitally recoverable form so that the the intelligence committees can handle it and and research it.
01:00:35 Speaker 11
There's a there's a very responsible position and programs been put together in this bill pursuant to which to do this. And so I'm saying is the the President, it would not be politically wise, it would not be judiciously wise for any given individual president just to take it upon himself or herself.
01:00:55 Speaker 11
And simply say ohh as President I've decided.
01:00:58 Speaker 11
I'm going to release all of this.
01:00:59 Speaker 11
Information. It would be extremely disruptive with regard to the internal funding of our of our complex government, the the Schumer rounds bill has a role to be.
01:01:09 Speaker 11
Played by the.
01:01:09 Speaker 11
Independent board. It has a role to be played by the President himself. It has a role to be.
01:01:16 Speaker 11
Played by the justice.
01:01:17 Speaker 11
Department in passing upon.
01:01:19 Speaker 11
The applications for subpoena power. It has a role for the judicial.
01:01:23 Speaker 11
The branch to pass upon the subpoenas that would be issued by the the Attorney General for Information, and so that this has to be a collective undertaking.
01:01:33 Speaker 11
On the part.
01:01:34 Speaker 11
Of the the.
01:01:35 Speaker 11
Executive branch, our legislative branch, and our judicial branch to to show that there's a a uniform and unified position on the part of our government.
01:01:44 Speaker 11
Going forward to make this information available now, they have to also have Commission with other nations in the world. They're going to have to be communicating with Russia and with China and with our other our allies to let them know that this.
01:01:59 Speaker 11
Is going to be taking place.
01:02:01 Speaker 8
You know, so there's a.
01:02:02 Speaker 11
Whole process, a complex process that has to be undertaken here so that the President has an authority to try to initiate a more forward leaning process of making information available. The President has to function within the constitutional constraints of our government system and the political realities of our system.
01:02:21 Speaker 11
And so I would not advise a president to be taking just unilateral action like this. But I do think I do think that President Biden should take the initiative to try to establish a Treaty of pursuant to which they we can have this agreement among all the nations of the world in a way that's effectively.
01:02:39 Speaker 11
Forcible that none of this technology be allowed to be used to develop a weapons system which would require the president ordering the standing down of this particular prompt global strike technology that's being developed now by these corporations. That this we have to put that on the table.
01:03:00 Speaker 11
And offer to stand back from this in the same way that we should have step.
01:03:04 Speaker 11
Back from the use of thermonuclear weapons right at the beginning of the the Atomic Age, we should have we should have been willing to vote the temporary strategic advantage that was given to us by the possession of nuclear weapons, because it's inevitable that the technology is going to leak out and it's going to be.
01:03:24 Speaker 11
I'm available to Russia and to China and the possibly other countries in in the fact of the matter is, we need to take the initiative on this and the President does have that responsibility. I think that as a matter of fact, this should be made a major issue in in the upcoming campaign.
01:03:43 Speaker 1
Danny, I'm gonna. I'm gonna.
01:03:43 Speaker 11
You know the the people.
01:03:44 Speaker 11
Who want to?
01:03:45 Speaker 11
Buy for the Presidency should take a position on the need to have a treaty.
01:03:48 Speaker 1
Over this issue, that's definitely a goal. I think of a lot of people here to try to turn this into an election 24 issue, have our next listener with a question jump in. Brian, if again, we're just gonna try to get in as many people as we can. So if both of you and Danny.
01:04:03 Speaker 1
And just try to keep it a little on the sync side so we can get to as much Q&A as possible because we are getting close to 7:30 here on Eastern Time, which I think is when we're gonna have to cut. But Brian, why don't you go ahead and let us know what your question for Danny is? Thank you.
01:04:19 Speaker 1
Oh, Brian, Are you ready?
01:04:22 Speaker 1
I see that you're muted.
01:04:25 Speaker 1
Maybe Brian's not ready to speak.
01:04:29 Speaker 1
I'm gonna.
01:04:31 Speaker 16
Kick you?
01:04:32 Speaker 1
Ohh, it seems like we're having maybe some glitches with uh.
01:04:37 Speaker 1
Spaces which happened Brian, are you able to speak now?
01:04:43 Speaker 1
We're still not hearing you, man. I'm going to.
01:04:46 Speaker 1
I don't know why it keeps you might want to leave the space quickly and come.
01:04:49 Speaker 1
Back in I.
01:04:50 Speaker 1
Don't know why.
01:04:51 Speaker 1
I keep elevating you and for whatever reason, it's not coming through, so I recommend just jumping out, jumping back in turn on the request status. We'll have one other person probably jump in in between, but I'd love to be able to get to your question. It's just for some reason I hit the button.
01:05:06 Speaker 1
And it says you're a speaker. OK, let me quickly get to someone else here. A lot of you have had your hands up for a while. It's also, like, totally impossible to organize, who has necessarily had their hand up the longest. But I know one of them is Appalachian astronaut. I'm gonna add you.
01:05:23 Speaker 1
We'll get his question in he he raised his hand really right as we were kicking off. So Appalachian astronaut, do you want to jump in with your question quickly and Danny, try to get to that and then we'll get Brian back in here.
01:05:34 Speaker 9
Hey, Danny and everybody else, I appreciate your time and let me talk. Nick, I appreciate you putting this together and all the help you've done to raise transparency.
01:05:41 Speaker 9
On the UP UP.
01:05:42 Speaker 9
Now my question for Danny was is I was just wondering, you know, I know that only anybody can only say so much. But as far as like you know, the technology that they're working on, is it something that you know would provide you know basically the ability to manipulate, you know, space-time to travel interdimensionally? And I think that's kind of what you know, Lou and everybody else is kind of hinted around.
01:06:03 Speaker 9
This what's happening and so I just wanted to hear your thoughts about that. I know you talked about it a couple of times before, but if you have anything else new to that you can add or just want to kind of some rice to get out there, I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
01:06:16 Speaker 11
I would, I would say I would say this. I think that this is the kind of information that the board that is it is provided for by the Schumer arounds. Bill needs to really evaluate and needs to discuss what type of details are going to be revealed about this. We can't, we can't just you know.
01:06:35 Speaker 11
The kind of curiosity about this and I I'm I'm being respectful in that regard.
01:06:39 Speaker 11
But but I think that that we need to focus.
01:06:42 Speaker 11
Really, the the reality of an extraterrestrial civilization in the background, possession of their their interstellar spacecraft and that we're in possession of actual biological evidence that these are sentient beings and and.
01:06:58 Speaker 11
In point of fact that we've actually in the past recovered live beings from these these.
01:07:04 Speaker 11
Crap. I mean, I think that that's much more important than the particular technology of how the missile works. So I would think that we, we, well, I'm not a a great fan of the United States, you know, developing all kinds of these extremely sophisticated these. I don't want to, you know, make unnecessary enemies of the people that are in charge of the.
01:07:26 Speaker 11
The Weapons development program the United States government by by unnecessarily just going into details that we're we're aware.
01:07:34 Speaker 11
So I would just suggest that that we should do is support the the board to help make these decisions and make recommendations for the President and to the secretaries of defense about what information needs to be revealed and what might not serve the interests of anybody.
01:07:50 Speaker 1
That's, I think, a reasonable approach from my perspective. But you know, of course we have to have that board and they have to have teeth. Hopefully that happens. I don't know what is going on with Brian. He just, I don't he keeps bouncing in and out his speaker and that's either a bug in spaces or something weird. He's up to. Brian, can you jump in? I thought you was a speaker.
01:08:11 Speaker 1
Is anyone hearing Brian give me?
01:08:13 Speaker 5
No, on my end I'm seeing it in connection limbo because that is just still connecting. So I will continue.
01:08:19 Speaker 1
Yeah, we'll get to someone else. I don't know what the problem is on your end, Brian, hopefully, or at least hearing this. I'm going to get Anton in here.
01:08:30 Speaker 1
Anton, when you come up as speaker, feel free to jump in.
01:08:36 Speaker 1
And Tom, you?
01:08:36 Speaker 3
Ready. Yes, I am. Can you guys hear me?
01:08:39 Speaker 3
Yeah, go for awesome. I just want to say thank you guys, especially you, Mr. Sheehan. You know. Thank you. Nick. Lester, Moe, you guys have been doing incredible service to humanity.
01:08:49 Speaker 3
So I'm gonna ask a question that's not necessarily law based or even short term disclosure based. I wanted to ask you Danny.
01:08:57 Speaker 3
There's there's a very evident problem in the systems of how we operate, as evident by how the military industrial complex has treated these technologies and feel post disclosure, we're going to hopefully see new new faces and new people involved in this. My question to you is, what advice do you have to to the?
01:09:16 Speaker 3
Future leaders, movers and shakers of the post disclosure world, you know, I'm sure there's a bunch of them in the chat. Thank you.
01:09:24 Speaker 11
I I think, for example that the that the people who are lining up to be potential candidates for the Presidency in 2028, most of whom have already acknowledged that the likelihood is that in 2024 the Republican Party is going to nominate Donald Trump, the Democratic Party is going to nominate.
01:09:46 Speaker 11
Joe Biden, the only other really viable candidate, seems to be Robert Kennedy.
01:09:52 Speaker 11
Senior, who is polling around, you know, 25 to 30% of the vote in a head-to-head competition as an independent. In this case, I think that the, the, the people who are buying for candidacy in 2028 should get out ahead of this issue and come to understand it thoroughly.
01:10:12 Speaker 11
And begin to move into a position of advocating the treaty that we're talking about as as one of the the primary issues that needs to be debated so that the new, the new administration of the administration that comes in in 2020.
01:10:28 Speaker 11
Or understands that the the people who are planning to become president after the next administration are going to be moving forward on this particular issue. And so we would hope that this would cause the the administration, the 2024 administration, to to deal seriously with this issue. That's what this bill is proposing.
01:10:49 Speaker 11
This bill is set up in such a way that while the the members of the Record Review Board that is created by this Schumer.
01:11:00 Speaker 11
Will be appointed by President Biden. The actual operation of the decisions made as to what information is going to be released to the public and what the disclosure the controlled disclosure campaign is going to look like is really going to determine during the the 2025 period.
01:11:19 Speaker 11
OK.
01:11:20 Speaker 11
The new president or the President is going to be elected or reelected in 2024, is going to have the responsibility of making sure that the 300 days of the first year of the administration is devoted to getting the information put into.
01:11:36 Speaker 11
The to the.
01:11:36 Speaker 11
Board. So I would I.
01:11:38 Speaker 11
Would say very frankly that.
01:11:40 Speaker 11
That the the campaign for the 28 presidency should focus on this issue.
01:11:47 Speaker 11
And I think.
01:11:48 Speaker 11
That it wise for the Republican and Democratic Party at the present time to prepare the way for this by putting this this board in place.
01:11:57 Speaker 11
To be able to organize the information and coherently evaluate the information proposed, at least the draft of a controlled disclosure campaign so that we can all become involved in this. So that's what I think ought to be done. That's the the key to this thing.
01:12:15 Speaker 1
All right, I'm going to add, Jeremy.
01:12:16 Speaker 1
Next, Jeremy should be coming up as a speaker and Jeremy, whenever you are in a speaker, you're welcome to ask your question.
01:12:22 Speaker 2
Of Danny. Hey. Thank you. Thank you both and 1st Danny, thank you for your your legal contributions. They're historic and you know your your work speaks for yourself.
01:12:36 Speaker 2
The your website rather mentions your lifelong deep faith and that you actually once considered priesthood, and of course, served as chief counsel for the the Jesuits, who strongly prioritize doing the best for humanity and social justice. Just curious how has this influenced your legal practices, not asking your personal beliefs?
01:12:57 Speaker 2
But how has it influenced how you practice law?
01:13:01 Speaker 11
Well you can you.
01:13:01 Speaker 11
Can you can ask my personal beliefs about that?
01:13:04 Speaker 11
You know, I I believe I believe that the law.
01:13:09 Speaker 11
The law, the ultimate reference for the law, is what is true.
01:13:15 Speaker 11
Because people make judgments, both individually and collectively, to to comport their conduct as best they can with what they view to be true, and that the therefore the the determination of you know, how about what the ultimate truths are, in accordance with which we.
01:13:34 Speaker 11
Balance our lives.
01:13:35 Speaker 11
How did our universe come into being?
01:13:38 Speaker 11
Which is the ultimate cosmological question you know, is our universe unfolding pursuant to any kind of structured algorithm that can be discerned, that is the teleological.
01:13:48 Speaker 11
The unfolding of the.
01:13:49 Speaker 11
Universe the The great ontological question and that is is, you know, what is the nature of consciousness that consciousness precede the material manifestation.
01:13:57 Speaker 11
Of our universe.
01:13:58 Speaker 11
Or is it a sub product of the interaction between mass and energy, some sort of a epiphenomenon of sorts, and the the 4th of the pillar questions is the epistemological what are the means by which we what we have at our disposal as human beings, by means of which we can determine the answers, the questions.
01:14:16 Speaker 11
Like that, these are profoundly important pillar questions. The the answer to which, if in fact one provides an operational answer to these questions in one's own personal life that are internally and self referentially consistent with each other, that answers to these four questions. It generates A fundamental philosophy.
01:14:37 Speaker 11
Which in turn generates your political philosophy.
01:14:40 Speaker 11
You know, and we we have a present spectrum of of world views from authoritarian to the reactionary to the conservative, to the moderate, to the liberal, to the utopian that these are presently operative in our.
01:14:52 Speaker 11
In our human.
01:14:53 Speaker 11
Family. But what we don't have yet is a new worldview that integrates into the reality of a of a.
01:15:00 Speaker 11
Missionary extraterrestrial civilization in our place.
01:15:03 Speaker 11
Of our human family.
01:15:04 Speaker 11
In that now the the religions of the world have been attempting down through the millennia to try to address the issue of a kind of an extra dimensional realm that in which our our consciousness, persons potentially even in repeated cycles of life.
01:15:24 Speaker 11
This is all the stuff.
01:15:26 Speaker 11
Of the of the realm of religion and theology.
01:15:29 Speaker 11
And we've succeeded in getting the Catholic Church to actually issue a public statement which says that now it's become obvious much more much sooner than have been previously anticipated. We're going to come to realize that there is life elsewhere in the universe, and they've they've made an official call to have a the citizens.
01:15:49 Speaker 11
Begin to engage.
01:15:49 Speaker 11
An important conversation.
01:15:51 Speaker 11
Of the theological philosophical questions that are posed to our human family by the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe now, this obviously also includes questions of geopolitical nature, a social psychological nature, a personal psychological nature. But what what impact does it have on people to realize that?
01:16:11 Speaker 11
We're not at the APAC all sentient life in the universe are people afraid of this reality. Is there some way to adjust ourselves to this while still recovering and maintaining our sense of value?
01:16:22 Speaker 11
These are all profoundly important questions, and as I mentioned, one of the missions of the new Paradigm Institute, in addition to trying to make sure this legislation gets put into place and monitor the activities of the Record Review Board and the agencies that are supposed to respond to it, one of our missions is to help work on get these kind of conversations among people.
01:16:43 Speaker 11
To reflect upon these questions so that we can help participate in developing a new alternative or.
01:16:50 Speaker 11
The view that takes into account the expanded reality that we find ourselves in in the I've I've always viewed this right from the beginning when I was the little child and into the stars and said holy mackerel, as soon as I realized what they were that these were sons, other sons, our sons, that I've always been convinced that they were planets, you know, orbiting these other stars.
01:17:11 Speaker 11
And that there are people. There are beings on these other planets, some of them. And now that we know that they have have discovered the technology by means of which they can travel to our planet, back and forth between their world and ours.
01:17:26 Speaker 11
Whatever the extra dimensional dynamic of that is, you know this is opening onto the entire realm of religious belief in our in our people. And so I think this is an extraordinary moment that we have and and and we shouldn't have to be.
01:17:41 Speaker 11
Talking about how can.
01:17:43 Speaker 11
How can we prevent one one thousandth of one?
01:17:45 Speaker 11
Percent of our human.
01:17:46 Speaker 11
Family that is part.
01:17:48 Speaker 11
Of the the aerospace industry and the the deep state military and intelligence community, you know, make a determination as to what our what our relationship should be with this extraterrestrial.
01:17:58 Speaker 11
Realization and we have to spend our time trying to prevent them from building a, a, a missile, a nuclear missile that can reach across it in 2 minutes to destroy people. You know, we should be. We should be turning our attention to the the positive aspects of this discovery and of the existence of this civilization and what we can do to integrate.
01:18:18 Speaker 11
Ourselves in it without losing our absolute value as a species.
01:18:23 Speaker 11
You know this, this is the this is the theological and philosophical question that we need to really be addressing once we can get a a board like this put into place because one of the things I want to do is recommend at least one person on this nine person board who is going to be addressing these profound theological and philosophical and metaphysical.
01:18:43 Speaker 11
Questions in addition to the scientific and geopolitical questions that need to be by this panel.
01:18:48 Speaker 1
No, Danny, I want to get a couple more in before we wrap. I think you, I don't know if you still have a hard stop in about 7:00 or so minutes, but.
01:18:55 Speaker 1
We're certainly happy to have you go.
01:18:56 Speaker 11
I'm easy once once we get talking about this, you know me.
01:19:00 Speaker 1
No, I love it. That's great. We have a lot of questions and a lot of people who want to get in here.
01:19:05 Speaker 1
To ask some stuff I'm gonna add.
01:19:08 Speaker 1
Who is Axelrod next? Go ahead. Jump in with your question. Try to again please keep things succinct as possible so we can get as many folks in today as possible.
01:19:18
Hey, can you guys hear me?
01:19:21 Speaker 1
Yeah, just fine.
01:19:21 Speaker 14
OK, perfect. I have a couple of questions as actually like a three parter. OK. So the first thing is if the Schumer amendment does pass, how will?
01:19:34 Speaker 14
The panel decide what is closed. Is it a majority rule? Is it a unanimous vote and you know, of course that's going to skew things. Like if we have one person on the panel, that may be a little bit corrupt and it's a unanimous rule. I mean that will throw the entire.
01:19:54 Speaker 14
The entire thing off. OK. The second part is.
01:19:58 Speaker 14
UM.
01:20:00 Speaker 14
Danny said.
01:20:03 Speaker 14
Last year he mentioned Radiance and that they were awarded a $4 billion contract to develop basically UFO. It was like a UFO contract. What exactly was he talking about?
01:20:17 Speaker 14
Like what was that?
01:20:17 Speaker 14
For was it for like? Did it actually involve UFO's?
01:20:24 Speaker 14
And I mean just just go ahead with those dear. I'm a little bit distracted right now, but those are the two. The two main questions that I have.
01:20:34 Speaker 11
OK. Well actually I never did say anything about a.
01:20:37 Speaker 11
$4 million contract or?
01:20:39 Speaker 11
That came from I I talked about Radiant Technologies, but I've never specifically talked about the $4 million contract that they had.
01:20:48
So that came.
01:20:48 Speaker 11
From somewhere else with regard to your first question about what the?
01:20:53 Speaker 11
The nature of the voting will be in the panel. That's something that the panel is is going to be.
01:21:00 Speaker 11
Determining that one of the one of the things they have to decide once they come together is what are the rules that they're going to be following within their discussions and how do they go about coming to a decision with regard to these things, whether it's a priority vote or by a unanimous vote. My guess is it's not going to be a unanimous vote.
01:21:21 Speaker 11
Because of the very point you make, not that there be a person who's corrupt, but that they can't have to have absolute unanimity on every single question. So they're they're going to be having to design those rules. But there's a a great deal of detail that is in the 64 page governing the standards that they are to follow.
01:21:42 Speaker 11
Not only with regard to what their qualifications need to be, if they need to have security clearances, but there's all kinds of criteria.
01:21:49 Speaker 11
That are set forth in the bill I would, in addition to my specific request that everybody listen today, go to the new paradigm institute.org and get the name of your particular congressional representative and senators and and use that device that's on that the Internet to to put your information and then.
01:22:09 Speaker 11
Contact them, but in addition to that, I would specifically recommend that you go on to Google and get a copy of the Schumer rounds amend.
01:22:19 Speaker 11
To the National Defense Authorization Act and read it, I mean, you will see how foundly detailed that is in the criteria that are set forth governing the type of decisions that need to get made and the procedures that need to be followed. So you'll see the kind of work that's gone into that bill and it's so much more important than just a simple.
01:22:40 Speaker 11
Three paragraph insertion into the National Defense Authorization Act. You know, giving the authority to the Secretary of Defense, decide what, if anything, he or she going to release to the public. You know, I mean that that's not sufficient. And it doesn't have adequate guidelines. It doesn't have an adequate.
01:22:58 Speaker 11
Due process. So I think that the the decision making process of this nine person panel is going to be something they have to come up with and then we'll find out at the new Paradigm Institute. As I say, since we're one of the agencies that are going to be nominating people to that board and the that that we may well.
01:23:18 Speaker 11
Find ourselves in seeking time, advising on what?
01:23:22 Speaker 14
And and lastly, I'm sorry lastly, but I remember the last thing that I really, really.
01:23:23 Speaker 11
With the card.
01:23:26 Speaker 14
Really wanted to ask you was.
01:23:28 Speaker 14
An eminent domain.
01:23:29 Speaker 14
Is actually. If it goes into effect and all these materials and data and sensor information and everything that is pulled from all of these lower defense contractors, if that is.
01:23:45 Speaker 14
Confiscated by the government, who will be the holder of that? Will that be turned over to and will that be like to one major contractor to get the research and you know, development contracts. Who's going to be the master of that? Will it be in one central location or will it be distributed?
01:24:05 Speaker 11
OK. Well first, first of all, you have to understand that that the eminent domain exercise eminent domain not to confiscate anything. It is it is to basically take title to the materials. That's important is you need to understand that the recovery of these UFO vehicles.
01:24:25 Speaker 11
That has taken place over the past decades. You know, actually was undertaken by the United.
01:24:30 Speaker 11
State the Central Intelligence Agency had this global access program pursuant to which they this deployed teams to recover the draft and then separate decisions about what the the rules or regulations were pursuant to which any of these aerospace industries would be put into possession of the technology to be able to.
01:24:52 Speaker 11
Research it analyze.
01:24:54 Speaker 11
To determine how it out and to figure out if there's some way to back engineer this, the the debate is over or not. Those aerospace industries have title to and own that country and or whether they can develop patents of any kind over the derivative technologies that are developed.
01:25:14 Speaker 11
That's what the that's what the eminent domain is all about.
01:25:17 Speaker 11
The fact of the matter is, is that the the possession of that, the actual ownership of title to that has to reside in the United States government. I think it's going to be quite clear personally and I think that the board may well recommend that, that there be a specific agency established in the United government.
01:25:37 Speaker 11
Is under the joint auspices of not only the executive branch, but Congress itself. Determine what use is going to be made of this technology. I'm a strong advocate of having it made.
01:25:49 Speaker 11
Of #1 having treaty imposed that none of it can be used for the development of any kind of weapon system and but secondly that it cannot be owned for the personal profit of anybody. The fact of the matter is it needs to be made available for the world. This is a this is a a history altering event that's taking place.
01:26:10 Speaker 11
And that this technology ought to be made available for the our entire human family, so that there that there needs to be negotiations with foreign countries, there needs to be negotiations with the United Nations. There need to be potentially new juridical structures established to be able to have some sort of a planetary decision making process.
01:26:31 Speaker 11
About the peaceful uses of the technology.
01:26:34 Speaker 11
But, but nobody's going to come and confiscate them right away. If there is a determination that is made by the board that a particular craft needs to be placed back under the control of the United States government, then they can. They can make that decision. But it isn't. That isn't the general nature of the exercise of eminent domain. It's a question of who has title.
01:26:55 Speaker 11
To the property.
01:26:57 Speaker 1
Is it fair?
01:26:58 Speaker 1
To say just a quick response, but like the government where I live in Baltimore has eminent domain in the sense that if they wanna build a new light rail line through my house, they may be able to assert the right.
01:27:08 Speaker 1
To do that.
01:27:08 Speaker 1
It doesn't mean they are building the light rail line through my house and are gonna be kicking me out of my house. Is that? Is that a useful way of looking at it?
01:27:16 Speaker 11
Well, I think for example the let's, let's just do a better example that the the the the government asserts eminent domain over the airspace.
01:27:28 Speaker 11
And so that it has the authority, it has the authority above a certain height over people's property to to make rules and regulations about air traffic, for example flying in and around those spaces, they they have in effect, asserted eminent domain over that airspace. They assert eminent domain over certain national forests.
01:27:48 Speaker 11
For example.
01:27:50 Speaker 11
But the but the bottom line is is that it's not a confiscation of anything that the the determination as to whether or not the physical material has to be taken out of the hands of a given aerospace industry or a given agent of the federal government and placed into the hands and under the control of some.
01:28:11 Speaker 11
Special agency that's going to be developed for this. That is a set of questions that need.
01:28:15 Speaker 11
To be answered.
01:28:15 Speaker 11
By the board that that isn't addressed.
01:28:18 Speaker 11
In this, it's just that the exercise.
01:28:19 Speaker 11
Of eminent domain.
01:28:21 Speaker 11
Is to give the government the authority to make decisions regarding that particular clenching and and potentially physical presence of any any material.
01:28:31 Speaker 14
But where? OK, I'm sorry. Very.
01:28:32 Speaker 17
Thanks, Roger.
01:28:34 Speaker 14
Really quickly, where in the legislation or the intellectual property rights, where is that written it? There's no guarantee.
01:28:41 Speaker 14
That that will stay.
01:28:42 Speaker 14
With anybody that's in possession of any materials and it's the materials some people have, they have acquired them through many different means, not only by it's been distributed to them via the.
01:28:56 Speaker 14
So what about those materials like, where are their intellectual property rights and what guarantees that that's not going to be taken away?
01:29:03 Speaker 1
Although that's that's an assertion that you're making, because I don't think any of us are.
01:29:07 Speaker 1
Necessarily Privy to.
01:29:07
Listen, listen to.
01:29:08 Speaker 1
How all of those materials?
01:29:08 Speaker 14
Listen to his dog that way, he he actually does say that. Say that he has acquired many different materials.
01:29:13 Speaker 11
And we talked to Jack about.
01:29:14 Speaker 11
This he's the one who used the term.
01:29:17 Speaker 11
You know that he he went to the site of one of these things. One of these events and recovered of the molten metal that was there. I know that he expressed some consternation about the whole idea of having it confiscated. But but. But the reality is, is that, you know, if if in fact the government.
01:29:37 Speaker 11
Is authorized.
01:29:38 Speaker 11
To confiscate somebody's field because they.
01:29:43 Speaker 11
They are going to.
01:29:43 Speaker 11
You know, building a facility of some sort that they need to.
01:29:46 Speaker 11
Build, you know.
01:29:48 Speaker 11
That certainly the ability to take into is, you know, direct evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization or an extraterrestrial technology. It's not something that.
01:29:59 Speaker 11
Has the right to hold for their own small advantage over the advantage of the entire human family. This is of an extraordinarily important nature, and there needs to be some sort of a juridical.
01:30:10 Speaker 11
A regime that makes decisions about that on behalf of the best of our whole human family, not to be, you know, just seized upon by an individual to try to take their own personal private advantage of it, to say nothing of of than just having a trophy in their house somewhere, you know. So I I'm saying that that I think that the exercise of eminent domain needs to be undertaken.
01:30:30 Speaker 11
You did.
01:30:31 Speaker 11
Obviously, in responsibly, but you know the the general libertarian resistance to the exercise of state power in general is is is an issue that needs to be discussed by the members of the board. You know what? What position are they ultimately going to be recommending to the President with regard to the exercise of eminent domain?
01:30:51 Speaker 11
Because the the president in the government itself is going to have to be the one to make the decision about exercising eminent domain, it's not going to be exercised as such by the panel, which is a civilian panel advising the President.
01:31:03 Speaker 1
Well, and I think you know the one of my perspectives on this, Danny.
01:31:07 Speaker 1
It's been like just the real basic, like, you know, litmus test, do they really want a couple of tiny little pieces of slag or whatever that Jack pellet or Gary Nolan have? Is that really what we're talking about here? And to me, the answer is no. That's not what we're talking about. That's the little piece of slag that Jacques has and the little is not the thing that could potentially allow you to build some.
01:31:28 Speaker 1
You know piece of technology that's way beyond hypersonic aircraft that would clearly have to come from something significant being in the possession of someone. And I don't see why gathering.
01:31:37 Speaker 1
Up every little.
01:31:38 Speaker 1
Scrap is really what the focus of that.
01:31:40 Speaker 1
Now, Joe, I want you have a very interesting question, Joe. I want to bring you back in before we get to any of.
01:31:44 Speaker 1
The other just.
01:31:45 Speaker 1
Listeners here today and this is, I think an interesting.
01:31:48 Speaker 1
One that you bring up.
01:31:49 Speaker 8
Right now they First off, I support Full disclosure, whatever we're dealing with, which I don't know. I support Full disclosure. David Grush has said at best we're dealing with from his information.
01:32:00 Speaker 8
Based on his four years of interview.
01:32:03 Speaker 8
40 people at best, we're dealing with an intelligence that is neutral or.
01:32:06 Speaker 11
Indifferent towards us.
01:32:08 Speaker 8
He also talks about people being murdered by the by the phenomenon and investigative investigative reporter roles.
01:32:15 Speaker 11
He's talking about people being murdered by the national security state people or something, yeah.
01:32:18 Speaker 8
No, he's talking about both. He's talking about both and then investigating. He's also talking about what you said. But then investigative reporter us Coltart said he has multiple sources who have told him there are deliberately A targeted attacks by non human intellect.
01:32:30 Speaker 11
Which is.
01:32:31 Speaker 8
That weren't accidental and were deliberate acts of murder, killing and mutilation. So if that's true, I don't know if it is, why are you so confident that we should try to have some sort of relationship with whatever we're dealing with?
01:32:44 Speaker 11
Ohh well well, because the the the fact of the matter is is that you know, we could could all start listening, you know instances United States military forces have mutilated people killed people doesn't it doesn't mean that we somehow you know withdraw loyalty to our government and it doesn't mean that you know that our government shouldn't have.
01:33:02 Speaker 11
Diplomatic relations with.
01:33:04 Speaker 11
Other governments, you know, the that the the, the, the only incidents that I know of. I know of one from having talked directly with Ingo Swan the INGO was involved in going to a site where there was a UFO that rose up out of this lake up in I think it was in southern Alaska actually and that.
01:33:24 Speaker 11
He and another person, actually Axelrod, if you remember the person was with him, that was the code name of the person.
01:33:30 Speaker 11
Had and that they were there observing this this crap and what anyone told me said is that when the craft realized that they were there, it fired a light beam at them. Now it didn't hit them and he said that he and actually rod sell.
01:33:50 Speaker 11
Behind a a boulder and he asserted that he thought that if he'd been hit by the this light ray that he would have been injured or killed.
01:33:59 Speaker 11
Now and I know of instances where people, for example, have laid their hand on a craft and they have become ill, and I know of incidents in which one of the law enforcement officers that picked up one of the bodies and carried it became ill and died, that there are some examples.
01:34:18 Speaker 11
Of those things.
01:34:20 Speaker 11
That I at this point in time, have never ever been told of a particular instance where the UFO entity was mutilating or murdering or killing another human being. I don't have any of that such information to confirm at all.
01:34:39 Speaker 1
Danny, I wanted to get to Brian, but he.
01:34:41 Speaker 1
Just keeps bouncing in and out.
01:34:43 Speaker 11
Relations and you know we we should be able to develop peaceful and productive relations with with any civilization, even if any of their individual Members conceivably had had engaged in some sort of, you know, inappropriate conduct. We need to really explore all of this to determine what the policies are that.
01:35:01 Speaker 11
They have been assigned, you know, just just because you know one of our Marine Corps group, Malay massacred an entire.
01:35:06 Speaker 11
Their town doesn't necessarily mean that that was an official policy of our government. The question is, you know what, what steps have they taken to rein in any activity like that on the part of any individual member of an extraterrestrial civilization that has come to our planet? We don't know that information yet. That's why the passage of the Schumer rounds bill is so important.
01:35:26 Speaker 11
Because we have to have a careful, completely objective and honest evaluation.
01:35:32 Speaker 12
And I.
01:35:33 Speaker 11
Agree the citizens are.
01:35:35 Speaker 8
I agree, I just until we know what we're dealing with, I would just slightly, that's all you know, not assume that they're here to help us. We don't know. We don't know.
01:35:43 Speaker 1
I think that's a fair point, Joe. And you know, you know and you use the word civilization a lot, but you know, I imagine that if we're talking about the scale of the Galaxy potentially or potentially even beyond that and through a variety of, you know, dimensions that we might consider that go beyond the Galaxy, the, the universe or other planes or even stuff that's a little more obscured from us.
01:36:01 Speaker 1
Here on earth.
01:36:02 Speaker 1
Or do you think of it more as like a loose federation, or even not necessarily representative of one particular civilization you're using that kind of as a broad catch all? Or do you have a a more particular sense of what that term galactic civilization or civilization means to you?
01:36:19 Speaker 11
But I use it in general terms just like just like we refer to our human civilization, even though we have like 193 separate nation States and we have, you know, tons of different languages. And we have tons of different cultures and stuff. You know, that we still have a human civilization, and therefore that that each species that we're encountering there up here.
01:36:39 Speaker 11
You know, there are various numbers that are that are quoted, you know, but I I know the details of some like I think.
01:36:48 Speaker 11
Seven different species that you would believe are category distinct in that they probably come from different star systems. Each of those species you know that unless there's more than one species on more than one planet in one given solar system, you know so that that my sense is that I'm well, I'm using the term civilization in in broad.
01:37:08 Speaker 11
Broadest terms of there being some sort of a galactic civil.
01:37:12 Speaker 11
Question as to what degree of communication they have with each other, what type of arrangements they might have with each other? It's not clear you know, I interviewed one man on his deathbed and who called me and had me come to meet with him. He's got tubes on him. He's lying in his bed dying and he was a a member of.
01:37:32 Speaker 11
Project Blue Book that was sent that he was a part of the team that monitored the the classified portions of Blue Book the sections where they realized they had a real UFO, that they were dealing with. And he said that when he went to the site where there was a live.
01:37:47 Speaker 11
Extraterrestrial being, that being was, was questioned and was that they had discussions with that person, that being and then said that they that he was part of a a a group that they came from different star systems and they were working in a coordinated way to monitor what the state of development of life was.
01:38:08 Speaker 11
On different planets.
01:38:09 Speaker 11
Inside our Galaxy, and these were the people that were coming here to our planet to monitor what our civilization.
01:38:16 Speaker 11
Like and so that there was some degree of cooperation. He indicated among those. And when they when they he was asked, you know, well, what who's in charge there. You know what? What was the entity that was in charge of bringing those different star systems together to cooperate in this survey and.
01:38:33 Speaker 11
He said well.
01:38:36 Speaker 11
The being said, according to the the the the person that that he said that that it's something like you might refer to as God, but it's very different than you think.
01:38:46 Speaker 1
Do you think do you think Danny?
01:38:49 Speaker 11
Again, the I think that in light of the fact that he was death bed telling me about this, I tended to give credit to what he was saying and but but he was he was so upset about the whole thing that he he refused to tell anybody about it until he was on his deathbed because he said he didn't believe it, he thought.
01:39:06 Speaker 11
He thought that the being was diable in some way. Now he was an incredible fundamentalist. This guy that was dying and so he thought that it was demonic the.
01:39:17 Speaker 11
But the being was at S4 where he where he was there and it was actually the the he wasn't talking. He wasn't communicating directly. His commander was, but they were taking notes and putting them on note cards when the interview was going on. And that's what he said was on the note card. So I mean, that's what all I can tell you about what I know about that at least.
01:39:37 Speaker 11
From that direct interview about what he said.
01:39:40 Speaker 11
But my sense is again the the importance of having responsible board with a with a staff that are professionals and objective about ascertaining the truth of all of this stuff is absolutely essential. And I think that we've now come to that point in our life as a nation where we have to have our citizens insist upon having such a process put in place.
01:40:01 Speaker 11
That's the importance of the Schumer rounds bill. It is exactly that is coming to that moment in time, that cosmic moment when we're actually going to put in place some agency in our government structure under our constitutional framework to get the answers to these questions and then through that, our Congress and our elected representatives are in possession of that information.
01:40:22 Speaker 11
Pursuant to which they can decide policy.
01:40:25 Speaker 11
That's what needs to be done and we need to hold our elected representatives responsible for sharing at least as much of that information can be shared with us so that we can participate in guiding the policies of our country. That's what a democracy is all about in this Schumer bill is a an exercise of traditional responsibility on the part of our elected representatives.
01:40:47 Speaker 11
And we need to get make back off these five people that we know of in the in the House.
01:40:53 Speaker 11
Senate. You know Mitch McConnell as the Minority Leader in the Senate. One other guy, Roger Wicker, the Republican senator from Mississippi and then the the the Turner, the the guy from the 10 Western District of Ohio who's the chair of the Intelligence Committee in the House. And then the.
01:41:13 Speaker 11
Other the other guy, Michael Rogers, who's the chair of the of the Republican chair of the House Armed Services Committee. And then this this new guy Johnson, Michael Johnson. Who's the.
01:41:27 Speaker 11
Airs while the Speaker of the House, this guy, you know who basically, you know, doesn't know where the keys to the laundry room are. You know, I mean, these are the five people that are blocking this because what you'll discover is that the key people are being paid by the aerospace industry. They're campaigns that, you know, the Lockheed Martin is the number one.
01:41:47 Speaker 11
Contributor to Mike Rogers, who chairs our Armed Services Committee.
01:41:51 Speaker 1
Although they have, they also contribute to Schumer. I mean, so I mean, there's very few senators that don't take money from the defense industry, right? I mean, they get, they put it around.
01:41:51 Speaker 3
You know the.
01:42:02 Speaker 11
Well, they said the, the the national headquarters of one of the major aerospace industries that has this technology is in Mike Rogers Congressional District. He's taking photographs. You know the the face.
01:42:14 Speaker 11
Or what you call.
01:42:16 Speaker 11
Selfies, you know, with the executives of those committees of those corporations. So there's a difference.
01:42:21 Speaker 1
There. Yeah. And certainly as the the chair of the House Armed Services Committee, you know, he's interfacing with those types of entities very regularly as part of that, I wanna get to ronak next after that, Shai Keenan, I'll get to you and then we'll try to get to Brian as well and hopefully his issues are worked out. But Ronak, thank you again, Sir, for doing what you've done so far to motivate a lot of the.
01:42:42 Speaker 1
Grassroots activity around, you know, making noise on the UAP, PDA and so many other things. You really fostered a lot of that, and it's so appreciated by many of us. Ron. Like, what's? What's your question?
01:42:50 Speaker 18
For Danny today, thank you very much Nick for the kind words and thank you, gentlemen for hosting this.
01:42:56 Speaker 18
Please, Mr. Sheehan, thank you for your dedicated efforts over the year. Based on my understanding, a significant barrier to the release of more convincing U.
01:43:06 Speaker 18
AP videos.
01:43:08 Speaker 18
Appears to be the stringent UAP security classification guide. Christopher Mellon recently noted that he is acquainted with one of the creators of this guideline.
01:43:17 Speaker 18
System who now feels that the classification criteria are overly strict. My question is what are the necessary steps to ensure the release of more compelling UAP videos as it has been mentioned from various government officials that such footage footage?
01:43:37 Speaker 18
Does exist.
01:43:41 Speaker 11
OK. Well the, the, the, the most important proper proposal to do about this is in fact the itself, the Schumer rounds bill, it is the the consensus basically the consensus approach on the part of the overwhelming majority of the Senators.
01:44:02 Speaker 11
And the House members, both Republican and Democrat, as to how we ought to go about modifying this this classification system in one of their charges is to develop a protocol and a set of classifications that can be applied to this info.
01:44:17 Speaker 11
Nation. OK, so that's it's clear that that is the the present codification of the best judgment of all of the the, the vast majority of the members of the House and Senate as to how this ought to be done, you know, without such a a bill being inserted into the National Defense Authorization Act, the Plan B would be to have the American citizens.
01:44:37 Speaker 11
Who are conducting their Congress people, their senators and and representatives who demand that the classification system around this information be up.
01:44:47 Speaker 11
Dated and be modified to provide more information to the American people. The problem is that that citizen pressure on individual members of Congress doesn't really translate very well into reaching into the Defense Department and getting them to do anything that they they view themselves.
01:45:07 Speaker 11
As being basically in your to outside pressure, they don't believe that they are supposed to be subject to the political demands of the majority of the citizens, the military and the intelligence community views themselves as being basically semi auto.
01:45:24 Speaker 11
Anonymous. You know, there are some positive constitutional benefits to all that, because that way they're they're not subjected to the political whims of a particular political party. We've we've taken some pride in the fact that our our United States military remains above partisan politics.
01:45:43 Speaker 11
For the most part.
01:45:44 Speaker 11
Even though it's probably true that you know 75% of them are Republicans because they believe that the Republicans have a a a more stringent view of national security, which is basically.
01:45:56 Speaker 11
The designed to establish full spectrum dominance over the planet and so as to promote and promote our continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials that are needed by the major industries of entry that are largely Republican.
01:46:11 Speaker 11
Shot that having been said that having been.
01:46:13 Speaker 11
Said the reality is, is that the the I.
01:46:16 Speaker 11
Don't think that.
01:46:17 Speaker 11
Just major public pressure on your individual Congress. People are going to be able to reach down into the Defense Department to get them to change those standards in classification criteria. That's why a board like this in this bill has to be.
01:46:31 Speaker 1
Shaw, I'm gonna get to you next and just to queue it up, we'll try Brian one more time and then I'll go to Klaus and then hit on some other folks if Danny.
01:46:37 Speaker 1
Still has time, but Shi, why don't you jump in with your question please?
01:46:40 Speaker 6
Take one more. I gotta check in.
01:46:41 Speaker 6
With Daddy, Danny, how we doing on time?
01:46:43 Speaker 16
I'm fine, I'm fine.
01:46:44 Speaker 2
OK, great.
01:46:45 Speaker 1
Thanks and we really appreciate your flexibility. Danny. I can't tell you how glad the community is to be.
01:46:49 Speaker 1
Able to get.
01:46:50 Speaker 1
This kind of direct access to you, it's it's really appreciated and I think you're answering a lot of questions and giving people great info. So thank you for that shaking.
01:46:57 Speaker 1
And wanting to jump in with your question. Thank you for joining us today.
01:46:59 Speaker 17
Hello. You. Hi, nick. Thank you for the great space. Oh, my goodness. My question is, is for Danny, if that's OK.
01:47:07 Speaker 17
Hello. You, you rock and my head is lower than yours. That's all I can say. My question is, do you think, darling, that there is any movement on getting whistleblower protection? And if not, should there be any? If so, if you think you you know if you know that there's a better path, would that be cause?
01:47:27 Speaker 17
I get a bit nervous. These poor sausages are gonna come out and tell stuff, and, well, they're gonna be at risk because of that. So I just sort of wanted to know what they do. You think they're doing enough to protect the truth tellers? Sorry, that was really badly asked. But thank you for the.
01:47:42 Speaker 1
No, it's a great question and thank you for asking it. Danny, what do you, what do you think about the actual physical protection? You know, there's been rumors that, you know, people who have access to these UAP programs are even potentially physically threatened if they ever speak out. I had. I had a clearance once. And when you get your indoctrination briefing, they tell you basically for an hour all the horrible things that are gonna happen to you. But.
01:48:03 Speaker 1
They don't talk about offing you or your family. I mean, you know, some people have said it goes that far. What's your understanding? What do you think the actual threat to whistleblowers is? Shai Keenan was asking. And is there any additional mechanisms to protect these guys?
01:48:18 Speaker 11
Well, the they we've we've gotten the the statute passed already now in the bill that helped set up the the Arrow Office to to mandate that there be no reprisal taken structurally and institutionally against anybody who comes forward to the Arrow Office to provide the information they have about the UFO.
01:48:38 Speaker 11
To or the extraterrestrial issue or non human intelligence issue to the arrow.
01:48:44 Speaker 11
Now, now that's that's a a narrow focus because they they set aside any of their non disclosure agreements on the civilian side and any of their security clearances, they've set them aside specifically under the bill that could the arrow office, OK, the all domain anomaly resolution.
01:49:04 Speaker 11
OK, now the question is that if in fact a a person doesn't trust the arrow office.
01:49:11 Speaker 11
As they clearly didn't, you know, under the regime of Sean Kirkpatrick, they didn't believe they didn't believe that it was a honest and objective effort to get information about the UAP programs. They believed that it was way too passive and just they sat in their office waiting for people to come to them, and then they they.
01:49:31 Speaker 11
Questioned them in a way that was a semi accusatory. You know that that that the reality is.
01:49:37 Speaker 11
Of that.
01:49:38 Speaker 11
Dozens and dozens of whistleblowers would be witnesses about this. Don't the arrow offices. And that's why it's of no use whatsoever to try to simply substitute the the Arrow Office for this independent, presidentially appointed board. This provided for the Schumer pill.
01:49:58 Speaker 11
That that's a non starter. Trying to substitute an arrow for that office.
01:50:03 Speaker 11
That would make the the act useless.
01:50:06 Speaker 11
So that nobody trusts them. They're on the complete control of the Defense Department and the intelligence community, which are the entities that have been keeping this secret for 75 years. You know that that doesn't really work. And. And so the, the, the if they've been coming forward and and communicating with the Senate Intelligence Committee.
01:50:26 Speaker 11
And their staff, who have the proper clearances so that it doesn't violate any of their national security oaths because they're only sharing the information with other people who have the potential clearances. Now that for that reason, there's no reason why, legally at least anybody should be threatening them because they haven't.
01:50:46 Speaker 11
Breached their security clearance. They've only shared the information with other people who have similar clearances, but the reality is that we know from the the internal government documents that we've recovered and in in this regard, you have to credit the people like like Richard Dolan.
01:51:02 Speaker 11
Who has published the two volumes of his work, called the National Securities UFOs and the National Security State, in which he actually publishes the previously classified documents that prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that there was a conscious campaign that was mounted by the elements deep in the United States.
01:51:22 Speaker 11
This department and inside the Operations Directorate of the Central Intelligence Agency to punish people who tried to come forward and make information about the UFO phenomenon.
01:51:35 Speaker 11
And that it.
01:51:35 Speaker 11
That it was not only directed toward people who had security clearances, it was directed towards every average citizens in the country. They were threatened and intimidated and according to direct witnesses, they were threatened with death if they if they insisted upon going forward and publicly revealing information that they had ascertained about the UFO.
01:51:55 Speaker 11
Issue now. Again, these are accusations that need to be evaluated by the the Records Review Board that is insisting upon getting access to any kind of written reports in orders that were given to anybody to do anything like.
01:52:10 Speaker 11
That This is why this bill is so important that it provides an investigatory agency. Unlike Arrow that is in the sense not an investigatory agency, it's simply a repository where people who insist upon coming forward with information can come to their office and, say, convey it to them. But it doesn't. It doesn't impose any kind of investigatory.
01:52:33 Speaker 11
Allegation upon arrow. OK and that's what that's what differentiates this bill. The Schumer rounds bill is an actual it creates an actual investigatory body.
01:52:42 Speaker 11
That is, that is equipped with subpoena power, is authorized to conduct sworn depositions, can hire professional investigators with clearances to go.
01:52:51 Speaker 11
And interview people.
01:52:53 Speaker 11
And evaluate material evidence, etcetera higher professionals to evaluate a physical evidence. There is for example of of non human biological.
01:53:04 Speaker 11
You know, this is this is the the group that that can protect the whistleblowers, if you would call them that because they're actually coming to a a government created agency or board to provide that information to them.
01:53:19 Speaker 11
Particularly designed to get the information to the intelligence committees in Congress.
01:53:24 Speaker 11
And so that.
01:53:25 Speaker 11
That I believe that those people would have adequate protection that would would prevent certain elements of the of the national security state from from threatening the the whistleblowers, but.
01:53:38 Speaker 11
I told the story before. It's important to remember when when I was doing the Iran Contra case back years.
01:53:44 Speaker 11
We we went and met with Senator Durenberger, actually a person that was working with us went and met with Senator Durenberger, the United States senator from Minnesota, and we provided information to him about the fact that the CIA's covert operations was engaged in criminally smuggling coc*ine into the United States and providing arms to the Contras.
01:54:04 Speaker 11
In direct defiance of a direct congressional mandate.
01:54:08 Speaker 11
In the Boland.
01:54:08 Speaker 11
Amendment prohibiting them from providing any aid, direct or indirect, to the.
01:54:12 Speaker 11
Interest and we gave him the information he went up on the Senate and publicly demanded the creation of a special Select Committee to investigate the enterprise. And that night three men entered their home out in Virginia and dragged his wife out of bed in her nightgown and put a gun in her mouth and threatened to kill her.
01:54:33 Speaker 11
If Senator Durrenberger didn't go back up onto the floor and withdraw his request.
01:54:38 Speaker 11
So he went up the next Monday on the floor and withdrew his his his request. And that Wednesday on the front page of The Washington Times was a full page article about his mistress. And here's a photograph of the love bungalow that they have in Washington and then also talked about the fact that he was an alcoholic. And by that Friday.
01:54:59 Speaker 11
The the news The Washington Times reported that he'd been committed to an alcohol rehabilitation facility under some right wing fundamentalist Christian group of Virginia, and his total his political career was totally destroyed. But the fact is that they had actually physically threatened to murder him.
01:55:16 Speaker 11
And his wife for simply trying to reveal the fact of smuggling coc*ine and weapons. You know, so that this secret the the secret of the UFO technology and the fact that they exist and the fact that we know they exist is viewed as the deepest secret that our United States national security state is in possession of. And so the these lengths to which they.
01:55:37 Speaker 11
Have gone in the.
01:55:38 Speaker 11
Asked is one of the things they're most concerned about with this committee that if in fact this this records review Board has the authority to get at every single document, every single e-mail, every single internal memo that's ever been promulgated by any of these military agencies, they're going to discover the lethal.
01:55:58 Speaker 11
Sites to which some of their operatives have been directed to go to keep this secret, and that is one of the things that they're terrified about this. And it's one of the reasons why they're using.
01:56:08 Speaker 11
This bill, because they don't, they don't want that information revealed. So that is all a rather lengthy way of saying that you can't tell what lengths they're willing to go to to stop this information from coming out because you're dealing with literally trillions of dollars, trillions of dollars of potential profits.
01:56:28 Speaker 11
Private profits that can be made by these aerospace industries by having patents and control over the technology derived.
01:56:37 Speaker 11
From the UFO.
01:56:38 Speaker 11
'S which belongs to the United States that belongs to the United States government. It actually belongs to the people of the world.
01:56:45 Speaker 11
You know it doesn't belong because I'm.
01:56:47 Speaker 11
Private for profit group, that is.
01:56:49 Speaker 6
Going to try.
01:56:50 Speaker 11
To, you know, hold Monopoly control over this technology and they have their own Private Securities. You know, these aerospace centers, they have their own private security forces. We've uncovered them in the care and Silkwood case, for example, we discovered that the the Georgia Power Corporation.
01:57:05 Speaker 11
That was doing illegal surveillance against opponents of the private nuclear industry that they had a they had a group inside their public relations department called Risk Man.
01:57:14 Speaker 11
Management and all, all six of the men who.
01:57:17 Speaker 11
Were employed by.
01:57:18 Speaker 11
Them were political assassins, you know, from the Phoenix program in Southeast Asia and that, you know, we, we know who they are, we know their identities. We know what they did. You know that these these are Dang people. And it's the the people in that same group that.
01:57:34 Speaker 11
Ended up killing Karen Silkwood.
01:57:36 Speaker 11
Driving her off the highway and killing her simply because she was trying to deliver to the New York Times documents that the the private near facility, the Kern Maggie nuclear facility in summer in Oklahoma was actually smuggling 90 pure bomb grade plutonium to Israel and to Iran under the Shah of Iran. And she was killed to keep that secret.
01:57:56 Speaker 11
Well, so that this is a dangerous.
01:57:57 Speaker 11
Group if people need to be concerned and that's why it's so important that we have a bill of the of the power of the Schumer bill that provides the the kind of protections to these these potential whistleblowers that needs to be provided so they will come forward and share the information with our elected representatives. That's what's necessary.
01:58:17 Speaker 1
The next class is lots of wonderful thoughts, always on on this topic and other areas of esoteric class of Klaus. What's your question for Danny today based on everything that we've been?
01:58:26 Speaker 1
Hearing so far.
01:58:27 Speaker 4
Hey, Danny, how's it going? Honored to talk to you.
01:58:30 Speaker 4
I I really appreciate how much not just like UFO specific history general, you know, like world history. You kind of provide context for all this stuff with. And one of the things that you talked about that I I don't hear anyone else talking about. You mentioned it earlier is the is the Japanese.
01:58:51 Speaker 4
That was hit in in the Philippines that was looted by the OSS.
01:58:54 Speaker 20
Right.
01:58:56 Speaker 4
This and basically used as a political slush fund for, you know, Truman. Basically I, the story goes in the book Gold Warriors, which which totally transformed my understanding of of our country, like came to be in the national security state right now. Basically Truman decided to keep all that money.
01:59:17 Speaker 4
Hidden and they I guess they, you know, put it around the world in different banks and.
01:59:22 Speaker 4
Basically used it.
01:59:23 Speaker 4
To, you know, overturn elections or, yeah, mess with foreign elections and all sorts of stuff and basically just fight communism at any cost.
01:59:31 Speaker 4
And uhm, I just. I just wanted to know if if you've read that book Gold Warriors, and how much.
01:59:37 Speaker 4
Of it, you.
01:59:38 Speaker 4
You put a you put stock in and how much that might affect what we're seeing today.
01:59:45 Speaker 11
Strange you should ask that I was one of the sources. You know, I knew all of those guys. I knew Bob Curtis and I knew all the guys that I was the one that met with Bob Curtis and the others and and talked with the authors about that.
01:59:58 Speaker 11
While they were writing.
01:59:59 Speaker 4
Ohh it's amazing.
01:59:59 Speaker 11
The books you know, I ended up coming across that.
02:00:02 Speaker 11
Information because when I was at Jesuit headquarters, I was camp go to the Philippines to brief the top 50 business people in the Philippines about what the repercussions of global climate change might be on the island states. And in that context, I was put into touch with the President of the Senate of the Philippines. And he revealed to me that he and another.
02:00:22 Speaker 11
Very wealthy person had recovered one of the treasure. They're 176 of them, actually, that were buried in the Philippines and they'd recovered just one of them. They had $100 billion worth of gold bullion, silver platinum in the 50 gallon drums of precious jewels.
02:00:42 Speaker 11
And then I became a Jesuit headquarters, thoroughly familiar with the entire history of that operation and how they recovered 12 troves of those of those treasures. Back in 1945, Ed Lansdale, who was the G2 for the US Army, you know, tortured the driver, Kashima, who the the, the guy who.
02:01:02 Speaker 11
And the golden Lily operation of the Japanese military to garner all that, that treasure and buried it in the Philippines when they thought we were going to be invading. So I know all about that. And I'm perfectly cognizant of all they have $1.2 trillion that's in 1940.
02:01:17 Speaker 11
High value of gold at $32 an.
02:01:20 Speaker 11
Oz, it's now something like.
02:01:22 Speaker 11
$1400.00 an ounce and they've they've got that they they deposited that at the in the International Credit Bank in Geneva, Switzerland, underneath the supervision this guy. But the guy own and then they translated to the Citibank where some of the treasurers.
02:01:38 Speaker 11
And it was. It was processed through the Negan bank down in Australia.
02:01:42 Speaker 11
So I know all about that in great detail and and it it shows the lengths to which there has developed an ultra self funding covert dimension of our government which views not only Russia and China and and any you know flavor.
02:02:01 Speaker 11
Of the month.
02:02:02 Speaker 11
You know, group of people that they view to be our ADL.
02:02:04 Speaker 11
Series, you know, but they also include the people of the United States to be their adversaries because they don't want us knowing about things. They view the members of Congress as their adversaries. They view them as part time employees of the government and go from office and therefore cannot be trusted with this kind of ultimate secret. And so that they've gone to great lengths to prevent this from being done.
02:02:27 Speaker 11
And they have great amounts of of secret funds that they're disposal and they've been using them to say nothing about having generated the entire black budget in the Pentagon of hundreds of billions that have no oversight by Congress at all. And Congress has acquiesced to that. And it.
02:02:44 Speaker 11
Has to stop.
02:02:45 Speaker 11
You know this, this, this moment where we have this Schumer rounds bill to put together a A responsible board that is going to be extracting this information from the deep state and ascertaining what's been done to protect these secrets, what lengths they've gone to to create a totally destabilizing technology.
02:03:06 Speaker 11
Which they want to deploy on behalf of, you know, establishing full spectrum dominance over.
02:03:12 Speaker 11
Planet, you know that this is not a legitimate undertaking on the part of our constitutional government, and we need to take steps here. This is a first step toward remedying that in some large statistic and way strategic way by having a board that can review this information and.
02:03:32 Speaker 11
Determine what information needs to be made available to the American public about this, and therefore to the world, but very importantly, at least to the Intelligence Committee, so these days.
02:03:43 Speaker 1
Jared, I want to get you in next. You've been very patient. As is everyone. Again, I really appreciate it. Many people obviously are interested in asking questions, so just keep them requested and I'm gonna just try to get to as many when we have time today. Why don't you jump in with?
02:03:55 Speaker 16
Your question. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you so much. I'll throw that things right back at you and thank you, Mr. Sheehan, for this space. My question to be.
02:04:03 Speaker 16
Is I had a spontaneous spiritual awakening, that kind of led me down the path of human initiated contact. I first discovered you, Mr. Sheehan, by listening to Mark Simms, who was with you at the time. And as you talk about learning more about NHI civilizations, I was wondering if you think human should contact has a role within that process. Thanks so much.
02:04:26 Speaker 11
Ohh is that all?
02:04:27 Speaker 11
Right. OK, look, the the issue of human consciousness is at the core of this because that we share a common consciousness, you know, with extraterrestrial beings.
02:04:44 Speaker 11
They're a highly sentient, intelligent set of specs.
02:04:49 Speaker 11
And they virtually certainly have access to the same kind of consciousness do that is Celsius that is is able to have what we refer to as metanoia type experiences their newness experiences that enable them to have access to remote information and knowledge.
02:05:10 Speaker 11
As our human species is capable through the remote viewing program that was undertaken at the Stanford Research Institute and put off in Russell Charge and the people that this issue of consciousness resides at the core of the mystery that has to do with the UFO phenomenon and we can, I can leave it at that.
02:05:28 Speaker 11
But it's also the opening on to our commonly shared consciousness with these beings, and that if we can get past all of the things that differentiate us in the same way that on our planet, you know, we we have people that we differentiate ourselves by race, by gender, by age, by.
02:05:48 Speaker 11
Nationality, you know, by by the climactic systems in which we we evolve, you know, we've got to try to overcome this and what it is is this particular phenomenon, the UFO phenomenon presents an opportunity for us.
02:06:05 Speaker 11
To actually.
02:06:07 Speaker 11
Come together as a unified human species.
02:06:09 Speaker 21
So let me.
02:06:10 Speaker 11
Get a drink here. Just one second.
02:06:12 Speaker 6
Take your time, Daddy.
02:06:16 Speaker 11
There we go. And so that I think this.
02:06:19 Speaker 11
This issue of consciousness is key to the entire issue here, and it's it's clear that that these craps some of these crap are actually piloted and navigated.
02:06:31 Speaker 11
Through consciousness that the consciousness of the.
02:06:36 Speaker 11
No, it's interact with the ship itself to give it propulsion and navigation, and this has been a a factor that's been one of the.
02:06:47 Speaker 11
Most challenging scientific.
02:06:50 Speaker 11
Questions that have been posed to these people who are trying to back engineer the technology they were unable to figure out how to access the contents.
02:07:01 Speaker 11
That necessary to navigate the crap. Now I don't know whether they hotwired that process and this this.
02:07:11 Speaker 11
New super weapon that they've developed this, this missile and nuclear missile is capable of, you know, arriving at Russia or China within two minutes of launch, whether they, whether they're, they're the guidance system, is something much more prosaic or not. But I I I don't believe these are.
02:07:31 Speaker 11
These are obviously not man, this is not a man crap, but they may well if they've if they've punched into the technology of it to be able to to provide it to a missile they may have.
02:07:42 Speaker 11
Now that are capable of of utilizing this propulsion navigation system, but I don't I don't know what the issue is with regard to conquering the issue of consciousness. And again it's the the old the old adage Sufi saying that when the pickpocket needs the Saint all he can see are his pockets.
02:08:03 Speaker 11
And that therefore, this, the military industrial complex, when they've encountered the UFO phenomena.
02:08:09 Speaker 11
They instantaneously decided they wanted to make weapons out of it rather than the opening onto the extraordinary dimensions that are being offered to us as a human family to move into an entire new epic of our history. You know, becoming a spacefaring nation.
02:08:29 Speaker 11
And becoming part of a log galactic civilization of some sort.
02:08:32 Speaker 11
You know that that, that but.
02:08:33 Speaker 11
This issue of consciousness.
02:08:34 Speaker 11
Is critical to.
02:08:35 Speaker 11
It and it's it, it's.
02:08:37 Speaker 11
Going to be.
02:08:37 Speaker 11
The key to the evolution of the religious institutions.
02:08:41 Speaker 11
On our planet.
02:08:42 Speaker 11
To be able to accommodate this much larger perspective, which we find ourselves and as long as we can be assured of the similar levels of consciousness of these other species, these extraterrestrial species and extradimensional species that then this is a source of solace.
02:09:03 Speaker 11
For us, all that we can all join together in a a communion, a communion of sentient beings that can hopefully become peaceful, you know, but we have to be able to achieve that on our planet among our.
02:09:16 Speaker 11
Health, you know, in order to qualify for participation in this, otherwise they they they don't want us there. They don't want us coming out into, into space, you know, carrying with us this kind of warlike, dominating type of consciousness. So we have to transcend that consciousness and try to.
02:09:37 Speaker 11
In strength in the higher levels of consciousness of our human family, that's the task of the religious institutions, if we can.
02:09:45 Speaker 11
Reform them. If we can reform our systems of governance, if we can reform our our systems of religion in economic practices, then I think we're going to qualify for participation in this central civilization that surrounds us.
02:10:01 Speaker 1
Joe, you know you have another question I want you to jump in before we get to audience questions. What was what?
02:10:06 Speaker 1
Was picking on your brain.
02:10:09 Speaker 8
Bing, when you when you met with.
02:10:11 Speaker 8
Lou at the IG.
02:10:13 Speaker 8
Where? When, Lou?
02:10:13 Speaker 8
Spoke about classified information. Were you able to stay in the room, and if so, how does that work? Did you need a security clearance? Is it a lawyer?
02:10:21 Speaker 8
Client privilege.
02:10:24 Speaker 11
I've never, I've never agreed to accept a classification classification clearance. I I was told by Bob Fink, who was the chief investigator for Congresswoman Bella Abzug back years ago when I was doing your own congregation, said look at given the network of sources that you have, you're you're able to find out virtually anything.
02:10:44 Speaker 11
That you're trying to find out about and so therefore you don't ever want to take a security clearance because they will then try to stop you from telling about anything you know about, pretending that you got it because of your security clearance. So I've never agreed to a security clearance or the procedure was. And I'm.
02:11:00 Speaker 11
It's not appropriate to go into great detail about it, mainly because I don't want to offend the people that we were working with, but the bottom line is when they had to discuss something was classified rather I guess they were being gentlemen about rather.
02:11:14 Speaker 11
Than have me.
02:11:14 Speaker 11
Leave the room and be kind of rude. They all got up and left the room together and with other rooms to.
02:11:20 Speaker 11
Discuss the classified.
02:11:21 Speaker 11
Stuff and then came back into the into the room where I was and I provided to them all kind information which they thought was classic.
02:11:28 Speaker 11
Right beforehand and I made it a point to make it clear to them that it was not anything that I've gotten from Lou, but I'm able to get this information and I was providing it to them, you know, complete with names and phone numbers and contact information of people that they should be talking to in order to assure themselves that what Lou was was true.
02:11:47 Speaker 11
So I was able to confirm.
02:11:48 Speaker 11
A lot of that.
02:11:49 Speaker 11
That's the reason, of course.
02:11:50 Speaker 11
Why Lou retained me as his.
02:11:52 Speaker 11
Bernie wasn't just any person that any lawyer have to protect. You know, I was the the attorney, the general counsel for the disclosure brought you for 20 years and was. I've been working on this from the time I was at Jesuit headquarters back in 1977. You know, so and I was, you know, John Mack's lawyer at Harvard. You know, when he got confronted by the.
02:12:12 Speaker 11
Faculty over his taking a position about the reality of the UFO phenomenon and extraterrestrial life. You know that I've been at this for, you know, 46 years now. And so that.
02:12:24 Speaker 11
I didn't I.
02:12:25 Speaker 11
Didn't need a security clear and I've never agreed to accept.
02:12:30 Speaker 1
You're next. Thank you for joining us. I know it's a little later for you and Wales. What do you what do you have?
02:12:36 Speaker 1
For Danny today. Hi.
02:12:37 Speaker 20
Can you hear me?
02:12:39 Speaker 1
Just fine.
02:12:39 Speaker 20
Well, first of all, thanks Nick Lester and Joe for hosting the space and thank you, Danny. And the new paradigms to taking the time to speak to us, I understand you're.
02:12:46 Speaker 20
Incredibly busy at the.
02:12:47 Speaker 20
Moment my question the on the engaging the phenomenon podcast. Recently you talked about a captive extraterrestrial person that was alive. Is that a situation?
02:13:01 Speaker 20
Ongoing or is this something from the past and those?
02:13:05 Speaker 20
Familiar with the UFO law will be aware of.
02:13:07 Speaker 20
The victor so-called Victor interview.
02:13:10 Speaker 20
Is it related to that because you said they were interrogated telepathically as well?
02:13:16 Speaker 11
Yeah. And this the the particular first person account that I got of this, you know it was it was conveyed to me. Oh, I think probably.
02:13:28 Speaker 11
This was four years ago. The person on his death bed when he gave this to me and the details of it, and he was recounting an event that took place years earlier when he was still active in Project Blue Book. And so in Project Blue Book went on until, you know, 69. I guess, you know, in the.
02:13:47 Speaker 11
That, but it was somewhere around then that he had this particular experience in. It was at S4.
02:13:55 Speaker 11
Where he where he saw the extraterrestrial being and his commander actually engaged in telepathic exchanges with the being and this.
02:14:06 Speaker 11
Man is the.
02:14:07 Speaker 11
One who was refused to go, refused to go communicate with the being because he thought he was demonic and but he was reviewing the.
02:14:15 Speaker 11
Cards. The interview cards that were kept there, they they those to him. And but that was the. So I'm assuming that this took place some time in the in the late mid to late 1960s and I don't know whether to be.
02:14:29 Speaker 11
Is still alive. Is still being held and I don't about that particular.
02:14:36 Speaker 1
Being Danny, was it your impression that that was holding of that being or was it was there, just not an effective means to send it home. Like, what was that arrangement? Was it actually imprisoned?
02:14:48 Speaker 11
But it wasn't. It wasn't clear to him. All he knows is that he was brought, was brought to as four to one first and they went over to S4. They went down in the elevator down to the below ground.
02:15:00 Speaker 11
Yeah, he saw more than one extraterrestrial vehicle there. the IT was. They were being shown as his commander at Project Blue Book was being shown that the man that was in charge of the classified portions of Project Blue Book and that they when he went to place where the being was the being was in.
02:15:20 Speaker 11
A room. It looked almost like.
02:15:23 Speaker 11
The skip it was, it was. There was a door. Door to it was closed room, and it had the the two way mirror to see through the wall, through the mirror to see the beam. There. The beam was just about as tall as his commander. He said he was somewhere around 5:10. 5/11 wasn't a little three 3 1/2 foot.
02:15:44 Speaker 11
But it was being with the the large head and the large eyes and he they had a clothes on him like some kind of a jumpsuit that he had on and that he was communicating telepathically. He didn't. He didn't seem to be afraid. He was being cooperative and and appeared to be.
02:16:04 Speaker 11
Friendly and his communications with his commander, he had been cooperative and was talking. Was communicating telepathically with other people that were there in the program. Who were the people who provided the cards? These these note cards that this man had been shown, and I don't know.
02:16:24 Speaker 11
Whether it's being.
02:16:25 Speaker 11
The being was being held involuntarily or but but he was he was cooperative in, in had shared all that information. That was they they had taken the notes on. I don't I don't know what their I I know that the.
02:16:39 Speaker 11
There are all kinds of accounts. As you all all well know of of the beings being able to pass through walls and to be able to do all kinds of things that we would consider to be magical. And it's possible that he could have left whenever he decided to do so. I don't know because the, the fellow that I was talking with did not.
02:17:00 Speaker 11
Offer any information on that.
02:17:02 Speaker 1
When you speak about this classified side of Blue Book, are there any histories of this, or can you name any of these individuals who were part of that command structure separate out from the more public facing side of Blue Book? There's been murmurings for decades and decades that the public side of Blue Book was really just to filter certain interesting things up to the more clandestine.
02:17:22 Speaker 1
Side of the program is there just anything you can share about that that might not be in the public domain or any resources that you would push people towards if they wanted to learn more about that side?
02:17:31 Speaker 1
That you're talking about?
02:17:33 Speaker 11
Well, I'm sure you're not gonna find anything on it. I mean, he he related to me. The names of the not only the commander, but the the base where they were operating from the names of some of the field agents that he knew in the time periods through which they were doing it.
02:17:53 Speaker 11
He he conveyed all of that to me.
02:17:58 Speaker 11
So so that.
02:18:00 Speaker 11
He was he was reluctant at first to do that, but he was dying after all, and he had come to trust me and that he had contacted me because he knew that I was legal counsel for the Jesuit headquarters in their Social Ministry office. So it was sort of a a sort of a setting.
02:18:17 Speaker 11
In which he did it.
02:18:20 Speaker 1
Got it. Well, that would.
02:18:20 Speaker 11
So it existed, it existed, and it was. It was completely classified. And you know, they, they acknowledged in the report, the ultimate report that that they had over 700 instances in which they were unable to, to come up with any cockamamie story to explain away those 700 sightings.
02:18:41 Speaker 11
Because there were multiple credible witnesses to many of them, there were photographs of many of them. You know, I saw photographs that were taken of a particular crash or.
02:18:52 Speaker 11
April, that was back in early 1977 when I was serving special counsel to the the Congressional Research Service report that was being prepared for President Carter at his request. And so I've I've seen the photographs that were classified, that I was in the room with, you know, whole.
02:19:12 Speaker 11
Roomful classified files and and got to talk with this fellow who was who was one of the he was able administrator of the of the classified portions of Project Blue Book. He was there for a long period of.
02:19:28 Speaker 11
Years and was the private administrative officer or enlisted man actually of the of the classified portion of Project Blue Book?
02:19:37 Speaker 1
One imagines that that would be very interesting fodder for the UA PDA Review Board to get a hold of and.
02:19:43 Speaker 1
Release to the American public.
02:19:45 Speaker 11
No doubt about that. And I and I, I called Sean Patrick all about it. You know when when Sean asked me to come and talk with him. And so I spent, I don't know, almost two hours with Sean, you know, under oath, you know, providing all the information to them. I don't have any reason to suspect that they've done anything whatsoever to try to follow up on it.
02:20:03 Speaker 1
Electron voodoo hit us up. What's your question today? Thank you for joining us, by the way.
02:20:09 Speaker 22
Yes, hello everyone.
02:20:11 Speaker 16
First of all, great space to the.
02:20:13 Speaker 22
Host and all the speakers, Mr. Sheehan, in your opinion.
02:20:18 Speaker 22
What does catastrophic?
02:20:20 Speaker 22
Disclosure mean to you and could you maybe also go over some constitutional ramifications? I love how your legal mind.
02:20:28 Speaker 22
Works, so if you maybe could talk about the constitutional ramifications of that. And then specifically regarding.
02:20:35 Speaker 22
The UA PDA, what legal precedent would be eminent domain set and could you maybe discuss how or talk about how it is the same or different from the Patent Secrecy Act of 1952? Thank you very much.
02:20:53 Speaker 11
Alright, well, let's take it.
02:20:56 Speaker 11
One piece of time the the IT it's.
02:20:59 Speaker 11
It's clear that the.
02:21:00 Speaker 11
Term that is being.
02:21:01 Speaker 11
Used inside the legacy group.
02:21:05 Speaker 11
As they are referred to, who have been briefed in this program that that one of the things that they view to be potentially catastrophic would be the revelation, as I mentioned during our talk of the fact that they have undertaken lethal steps against.
02:21:25 Speaker 11
People to silence them, to keep them from revealing this information, and that they're they're extraordinarily sensitive about that. Also the fact that they are completely dedicated to the maintenance.
02:21:43 Speaker 11
Of what they are to as the elements of power.
02:21:47 Speaker 11
In our government that they believe that this information, if it were revealed, sort of Willy nilly to the public that it would, it would have a devastating effect upon the geopolitical, economic and religious institutions.
02:22:08 Speaker 11
They they believe.
02:22:09 Speaker 11
That now, that doesn't mean that they're expert on any of those things, but.
02:22:13 Speaker 11
They just happen.
02:22:14 Speaker 11
To think that that's true and that they view themselves as the safe guardians of those institutions and structures of power that has to do with the stock market has been major direct reference to.
02:22:28 Speaker 11
The banking system, the currency systems of the planet, the geopolitical alliances that exist now, they believe that they would be impacted in a way that would alter.
02:22:43 Speaker 11
The the power and the control of the people who are in positions of power and authority now.
02:22:51 Speaker 11
And they believe that since those are the people who are in part responsible for keeping all of this secret, they don't want to alter that now. They also there's been an expression saying that, look, if in fact, it were ever revealed.
02:23:10 Speaker 11
Or the depths were to which these people had gone. To conceal this information and to lie to the American people and to lie to presidents and to secretaries of Defense, Joint Chiefs of staff that were ever revealed, the lengths to which they had gone, the complete confidence of the American people.
02:23:30 Speaker 11
In the present structures of power would be to.
02:23:34 Speaker 11
Troy, in that the people would believe that this would be the granddaddy of all conspiracies and that therefore the people would immediately start believing all of the most cockamamie conspiracy theories that actually abide in our culture and their.
02:23:54 Speaker 11
Chaos would reign now. I should point out that I believe that this is just sort of the latest version.
02:24:01 Speaker 11
Of the oldest rationale in history for the elite to be remain in power, that they believe that if they're not in charge and making the decisions pertaining to everything that somehow the great unwashed masses who are completely incompetent and incapable would run.
02:24:20 Speaker 11
Reshot over the world and there would be no order. There would be no law and order. There would be no economic system there. No system of guns, you know.
02:24:30 Speaker 11
That this threat of.
02:24:31 Speaker 11
Chaos is always uppermost in mind of those who are fixated on the idea of control.
02:24:42 Speaker 11
And more specifically, their control and the problem is, is that the military intelligence agencies of our government view their mission.
02:24:55 Speaker 11
In part to be to protect.
02:24:57 Speaker 11
That element to remain in power because they they believe that things are going pretty well pursuant to this present organized system of power and they tend to ignore.
02:25:11 Speaker 11
The repercussions of this they tend to ignore the 10 million people a year that die of starvation every year tend to ignore the people who die of diseases that we've known the cure for for 100 years. They they they ignore the 10s of thousands of people that are killed, you know, and murdered, you know, during the invasion of the Middle Eastern oil field.
02:25:33 Speaker 11
You know by the United States military or to a complete bold faced lie, you know, that was promulgated by the Bush Junior Administration and Dick Cheney and his people, you know, they they don't view that as being within their pay grade to actually second guess those types of decisions on the part of people of power. And so they.
02:25:53 Speaker 11
To themselves as.
02:25:53 Speaker 11
Being the guardians of the present structures of power.
02:25:57 Speaker 11
And so they view any significant alteration in those structures of power to be a catastrophic impact. And they believe that the revelation of the not only the lengths they've gone in the past to silence people about these secrets, but the the.
02:26:17 Speaker 11
The actual revelation of the existence of the extraterrestrial civilization would so alter the present geopolitical structures of power that they have to exercise all of the discretionary authority that they believe they have.
02:26:33 Speaker 11
The right to exercise in the the kind of lethal power that they believe that they've been uniquely delegated to, exercise, that they're willing to size on behalf of the maintenance of these secrets. And that's the kind of catastrophic consequences that they believe would come to pass.
02:26:53 Speaker 11
Now I pointed out before that this is the exact same kind of argument that was being made with the North Seymour, who was the United.
02:26:59 Speaker 11
States Attorney for.
02:26:59 Speaker 11
The Southern District of New York back in 1971, when he was attempting to.
02:27:04 Speaker 11
Get the federal.
02:27:04 Speaker 11
District Court in the Southern District of New York to to prohibit.
02:27:09 Speaker 11
Of the New York Times from publishing the Pentagon Papers that you know if any information is revealed in these papers, it could have absolutely catastrophic. It would irrevocably, irrevocably damage the national security.
02:27:21 Speaker 11
Of the United.
02:27:21 Speaker 11
States. But he was refusing to tell. You know, the court even what that might be. He said that the court didn't have the adequate.
02:27:29 Speaker 11
Security clearances to be given the information and just relied upon the authority of the nation state of the national security state specifically to get the judicial branch to go along with them. Fortunately, we were success.
02:27:43 Speaker 11
And arguing in that case that that they had no right to do that. And so we won that case, we got to publish all 47 bits of the of the content of the Pentagon Papers, and no catastrophic results, except, of course, the fact is that it contributed significantly to the.
02:28:02 Speaker 11
Conclusion of the view.
02:28:04 Speaker 11
More and it basically revealed the depth of the lying and deception of Congress that went on on the part of the national security state and Central Intelligence agencies, you know, lying to Congress and lying to to government officials about the facts as to why we sent.
02:28:24 Speaker 11
50,000 originally U.S. military troops in to allegedly respond to the pay of content.
02:28:29 Speaker 11
Incident, you know which never happened. You know, that kind of thing. They they do that I would assume it's catastrophic of losing that ground war. I don't think the vast majority of American.
02:28:40 Speaker 11
Citizens viewed that.
02:28:41 Speaker 11
As catastrophic as sad as it was.
02:28:45 Speaker 11
The loss of life on all.
02:28:46 Speaker 11
Sides of that case. So so the the view.
02:28:49 Speaker 11
Of the national security state people as to what is catastrophic and what isn't is not really to be given the authority to make that.
02:28:59 Speaker 11
That's a decision that needs to be made by Congress. It's a decision that needs to be made by the intelligence committees of Communists. That is why Boomer rounds Bill is designed to put the information into the hands of our intelligence committees so that they can make these decisions independent of the Defense Department Independent.
02:29:18 Speaker 11
Of the intelligence communities decision making because their tasks are different, their mission assignments are.
02:29:27 Speaker 11
And the the Congress is responsible for making much broader policy, for example, about what our relationship should be with the exterior civilization that is represented by these crap and by the entities that are coming and going from our planet. This, this, this decision making needs to be put into the hands of our elected representatives.
02:29:48 Speaker 11
And these elected representatives will in turn decide what information needs to be ought to be revealed to the American voting public to enable us.
02:29:58 Speaker 11
To weigh in on what the policy decisions are.
02:30:01 Speaker 11
That should be.
02:30:02 Speaker 11
Made by our our elected representatives, that's what is so fundamentally unconstitutional about it, which gets to the second part of your question. You know what, what is the? What's the constitutional problem here? And that is, is that the elected representatives of our citizenry?
02:30:18 Speaker 11
Are being light and are being deprived of the information that they need to have to make some of the most profoundly important decisions that affect not only our citizens, but the citizens of the entire.
02:30:29 Speaker 11
The world you know pertaining to this all important issue of our relationship with entire extraterrestrial civilization, you know, and that that that is the profoundly institutional act on the part of the national security state that that one can imagine, you know now. Moreover, we have seen the for example.
02:30:49 Speaker 11
The the the Central Intelligence agencies operations director take unto themselves already to believe that they can engage in criminal corporations, you know, assassinating people around the world, ousting elected governments in, in power. So, for example, in Australia in, in other places that they've.
02:31:08 Speaker 11
People, the the overthrowing of the elected government in Iran of Mosaddeq back in 1954, the assassination of Trujillo, you know, in the Dominican Republic, they've done this. The assassination of Patrice Lumumba in Africa. They've done this repeatedly in the the fact is that the Congress has not yet taken the kind of aggressive stand that it needs to take.
02:31:29 Speaker 11
Stop them from doing.
02:31:30 Speaker 11
This you know, so this is all part of this. This true bill is to try to to establish a fact finding body that can determine to what length the the deep state. This deep national security state infrastructure.
02:31:46 Speaker 11
Has gone to.
02:31:48 Speaker 11
To to preserve.
02:31:50 Speaker 11
The present elite power structures in our country.
02:31:54 Speaker 11
And on our plan?
02:31:55 Speaker 11
You know, and what type of adjustment might need to be made in that structure in order to integrate ourselves into the the galactic civilization that's here that we we have a a system of injustices that Jesuit order refer to these as the structural sources of injustice.
02:32:14 Speaker 11
And when I.
02:32:15 Speaker 11
When I was recruited to go to headquarters and become their general counsel and their Social Ministry office and Help Co direct the policies of the Jesuit order, the largest single order in the largest single denomination religious denomination in Western civilization.
02:32:29 Speaker 11
You know, I found myself to be in this situation where I had to get access to important pieces of information that other people didn't have, and I had the benefit of having access to not only hundreds and hundreds of Jesuit priests throughout the world that were in diplomatic positions and others, but I had access to the, to the intelligence.
02:32:49 Speaker 11
The intelligence community people that I had encountered when I was one of the three trial attorneys and.
02:32:56 Speaker 11
Office when and we had a we had a an independent private investigation firm of 40 Class A licensed private professional investigators, many of whom had direct criminal investigative history in the military. In that these people themselves have completely disenchanted.
02:33:16 Speaker 11
With some of the things that they saw the national security state engaged in and they saw our office as an.
02:33:22 Speaker 11
Community to come forward and provide information to us.
02:33:26 Speaker 11
That would help.
02:33:26 Speaker 11
Us attempt to amend some of these unjust structures in governance in in covert operations around the world, and that is the mission that I need to be on. Even though after 10 years of serving in that position that Washington headquarters.
02:33:42 Speaker 11
You know that.
02:33:43 Speaker 11
Sarah Nelson and I and met each other during the Karen Silkwood.
02:33:47 Speaker 11
Case and decided to marry and have children, and the Catholics wasn't willing to have priests that were married and had so. So I we've set up the Christic Institute, a separate 501C3 public interest organization. They represented in the sense 84 of the major religious denominations in the United States, and we conducted.
02:34:08 Speaker 11
The kind of cases that you all heard about the Karen Silbert case and you're on Contra case and the.
02:34:13 Speaker 11
Prosecuting the Ku Klux Klan, the American Nazi beatdown. Greensboro, NC they gunned down labor organizers that were trying to organize the chapter of the Amalgamated Clothing and Textile Workers in the textile unions. We've done this over a 50 year period. This is the the ultimate case that we are working on now.
02:34:32 Speaker 11
And we've established the new Paradigm Institute to focus exclusively on this issue of the UFO secrecy and our relationship with this extraterrestrial civilization. And we intend to to hang in our power to help inform the American people.
02:34:47 Speaker 11
To to educate the American people and to mobilize the American people to exercise our constitutional responsibility to take charge of our government and to prevent our government from from generating and deploying this this absolutely horrendous weapon system using the.
02:35:07 Speaker 11
UFO technology to attempt to totally destabilize the entire global. We can't allow this to happen, OK? And so that I think that the exercise of eminent domain on the part of our our government through the.
02:35:21 Speaker 11
Exercise of power by our Congress.
02:35:23 Speaker 11
To take control of this technology, to prohibit the use of this technology period and to initiate the process of establishing a global treaty which prohibits the use of any of the UFO technology to develop any weapon system whatsoever, and to begin to open a dialogue with an extraterrestrial civilization where we can have a peaceful.
02:35:45 Speaker 11
Prosperous and mutually beneficial.
02:35:47 Speaker 11
Relationship. That's what we're doing at the new Paradigm Institute and we're asking everybody to join with us and come to newparadigminstitute.org, get the names and the addresses, the e-mail addresses of all of your congressional representatives and senators and get them to demand in a flurry of citizen.
02:36:07 Speaker 11
Action here to to stop them from gutting the the Schumer bill and to get the Schumer bill put as written into the National Defense Authorization Act 2024. That's what we're here for. That's why we've come together this afternoon to discuss.
02:36:24 Speaker 1
Danny, it's so appreciated. Do you have time to maybe hit just a couple more? I know you've gone way over, but I've got someone queued up and then I have a question and I, you know, I don't want to make your horse for the next several days, but if we could get to maybe a couple more.
02:36:38 Speaker 20
OK.
02:36:38 Speaker 11
Sure, let's do it.
02:36:39 Speaker 1
Ohh love it. Thank you, man. Unfortunately human. You've been really patient. Pikachu. Go for it. You're on.
02:36:46 Speaker 23
Awesome. Thanks so much for having me on. Thanks everybody for putting this on. So let's have a question.
02:36:52 Speaker 23
Maybe my maybe it's my civics. It's a little rusty, but I guess I find it very difficult to understand how.
02:36:58 Speaker 23
Kind of a smaller group of House members.
02:37:03 Speaker 23
Have such such power to to push back on the UAP Closure act. I I know that they like, you know, you might turn her in and such as on committee. But I I guess they struggle to to see since we have so much bipartisan support on this bill that they they've managed to, you know, have such power on pushing it back.
02:37:22 Speaker 23
So maybe you can go in and explain how how that is and if in the a chance this happens to not get included in the NDA since we do have bipartisan support largely for this bill, is there a chance that it just gets brought to the floor and voted on by everybody to hopefully get it passed? If it does, you know since the.
02:37:42 Speaker 23
You know the the numbers are so slim now in terms of majority and if we do have bipartisan support, could could it just be passed on its own? Thank you.
02:37:51 Speaker 11
OK, that that's a great question. So the the reality is that the over the years as has developed in the the Congress you.
02:38:00 Speaker 11
Know it wasn't. It wasn't.
02:38:01 Speaker 11
Contemplated by the founders of our Constitution in.
02:38:04 Speaker 11
1789 that.
02:38:06 Speaker 11
Political parties would arise. There was some discussion of.
02:38:08 Speaker 11
It on part of.
02:38:09 Speaker 11
The the people in The Federalist Papers.
02:38:11 Speaker 11
And they were hoping that political parties or factions, as they referred to them, would not arise, but.
02:38:16 Speaker 11
We have and in the in the the Congress, they have organized themselves as as kind of a self organizing body that was created by Article one of the Constitution of 1789. They organized themselves into establishing certain procedural rules to increase the efficiency of their functioning and what they've done over the years is they have.
02:38:37 Speaker 11
In addition to authorizing whichever of the political parties has the majority of seats in the House and or in the Senate to be able to unilaterally determine who the chairs are of the different.
02:38:52 Speaker 11
Committees that they put together the the the, the reigning political party has the authority to designate who those chairs are and the the caucuses of the two major political parties, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. They have caucuses in each of the house and the Senate. And what they do is they they have agreed to.
02:39:12 Speaker 11
Delegate to the chairpersons of each of these committees the authority to assert discipline.
02:39:19 Speaker 11
Over the members of their political party who have been given a seat by the chair and selected by the chair to serve on that committee and the the Chair of the of the committee has been delegated power from the caucuses to political parties to exercise discipline and to, for example.
02:39:40 Speaker 11
Choose in the next term of the Congress who's going to be on the committee so they can out people in.
02:39:46 Speaker 11
From those committees, the chair can make that decision in the next term of Congress, and that they can also determine the.
02:39:54 Speaker 11
Size of the.
02:39:54 Speaker 11
Staff that they're going to have in the kind of budget that they're going to be given and that they exercise these kind of prosaic instruments of power to a certain discipline over their members.
02:40:06 Speaker 11
So it's it's quite rare to see a.
02:40:09 Speaker 11
An individual person.
02:40:11 Speaker 11
In one of those committees, go against the wishes of the chair.
02:40:15 Speaker 11
Committee that you might guess is is your question implies that you know if you have on a committee, for example in the in the Senate.
02:40:24 Speaker 11
Intelligence committee in.
02:40:24 Speaker 11
The house or in the Senate rather you have 17 Members, you know, and I I think you have like I think it's like 9 members.
02:40:35 Speaker 11
That are Democrats and like 8 that are Republicans. They tried to establish a a comparative balance between the two political parties in those committees, but the chair is the one who basically instructs his or her party members on that committee as to.
02:40:52 Speaker 11
How to vote?
02:40:53 Speaker 11
And if in fact anyone of them doesn't want the way the chair does, they then have long discussions about how to come up with some.
02:40:59 Speaker 11
Sort of compromise if necessary, but.
02:41:02 Speaker 11
Ultimately, the chair will exercise authority over that. So what we've got is we've got the two chairs, the chair of this, the House committee, Mike Turner, and the Chair of the House.
02:41:14 Speaker 11
Armed Services Committee, the Republican, you know Mike Rogers, you know.
02:41:18 Speaker 11
Who are dependent upon the aerospace industry in their districts to provide the financial support for their campaigns. Ordering the people in their committee to vote against this bill. And So what we're trying to do is we're trying to figure out how to muscle up those clear majorities.
02:41:38 Speaker 11
Inside both the House Armed Services Committee and inside the House Intelligence Committee to fend off.
02:41:45 Speaker 11
The exercise of power on the part of Mike Turner and the Intelligence Committee and on the part of Mike Rogers in the the Armed Services Committee to fend off their exercise of power to basically have a bit of a mutiny, if you will inside those committees and say no, we believe that this bill is so important and the the service that it provides.
02:42:05 Speaker 11
This important area of public policy to be so important.
02:42:08 Speaker 11
That we as a group are going to refuse to accept your command that we vote against the bill, or that we got the bill by taking out its eminent domain power and its subpoena power and substitute for the independent, presidentially appointed board, the Arrow Office, which the whistleblowers don't trust.
02:42:28 Speaker 11
Because of the control of.
02:42:29 Speaker 11
The Defense Department and the intelligence agencies.
02:42:32 Speaker 11
Who are the?
02:42:32 Speaker 11
Ones keeping secret this information so that we're we're we're trying to instigate this constitutionally supported insurrection.
02:42:42 Speaker 11
Inside these these committees in the House, the other side, we have virtual uniform support except for for Mitch McConnell. And he's with this one other guy, this Roger Wicker from the state of Mississippi, you know, both the Republicans and the minority there who are opposing.
02:43:03 Speaker 11
Inside the Senate.
02:43:05 Speaker 11
And that we're trying to mobilize the.
02:43:08 Speaker 11
Both the Republicans and Democrats.
02:43:09 Speaker 11
In a completely bipartisan manner.
02:43:12 Speaker 11
To stand up against the minority there in the in the Senate and to protect the Republicans against any retaliation on the part of Mitch McConnell, who, as the Minority Leader of the Republican Party.
02:43:28 Speaker 11
In the in the.
02:43:28 Speaker 11
Senate has again these institutional powers.
02:43:32 Speaker 11
In which he can enforce discipline on the Republican members of the Senate.
02:43:39 Speaker 11
And what we have to do is try to garner such support that that Mitch McConnell can't pick off in senators and punish them individually and that Mike Turner and and Mike Rogers over on the House side can't pick off individual members of their committees and punish them for not accepting the order of their chair.
02:44:00 Speaker 11
And so if there's enough of them inside each of those committees, and enough of them inside the Senate in the Republican Party to push back against the assertion of arbitrary and capricious power on the part of those leaders, we can get this bill through. We definitely have the overwhelming majority of votes to get the bill passed.
02:44:20 Speaker 11
And the the effort on the part of the aerospace industry in.
02:44:25 Speaker 11
With the deep state national security state, people inside, for example, the Operation director of the Central Intelligence Agency. You know, in this global access program that they have going, if we can, if we can protect those elected representatives, not only against the.
02:44:44 Speaker 11
Jets and having someone come to their home.
02:44:46 Speaker 11
And drag him.
02:44:46 Speaker 11
Out of bed and put a gun in there. Oh, I can tell you. Yeah, but ohh to.
02:44:50 Speaker 11
Protect them, you.
02:44:51 Speaker 11
Know of having the aerospace industry withdraw any funding from them in the future and under chances of winning?
02:44:58 Speaker 11
But this is this is what we need to do. We need to provide affirmative support for all of these members of the House and Senate, Republicans and Democrats alike.
02:45:08 Speaker 11
To give courage to stave off the attempt to assert power on the part of these two chairmen over on the House and Mitch McConnell, and they've now recruited this fellow, Johnson, this newborn member who's the the, the temporary of the speaker.
02:45:27 Speaker 11
The house, you know who basically does nothing but just take instructions you know, from from the Republican caucus. You know, he's he we've got to go around these people and get them to vote for this bill. Now for your questions. But if they don't, what if they can't get them to do that? Can't they put the bill up on the floor as a separate piece of legislation and get it?
02:45:41 Speaker 1
Think, Danny? Oh, yeah.
02:45:48 Speaker 11
Ask. The answer would probably be no, because you'd run into the exact same assertion of power on the part of these chairpersons in Mitch McConnell. So we've got that this is the single test of whether they're going to be able to get this bill passed or not and get it put into the National Defense Authorization Act so that the, the all all of the, all of the die has been cast.
02:46:09 Speaker 11
On this bill right now and we have just about 10 days left within which to mobilize the citizenry of our country, so everybody should reach out to every single outlet that you have at your disposal to mobilize the.
02:46:23 Speaker 11
To go to the the website at nadineinstitute.org, find the e-mail address there and the identity of your congressional representatives and your senators, and get the communication to them that you demand that the Schumer rounds bill be put into the National Defense Authorization Act as written.
02:46:42 Speaker 11
Because if we don't get it now, you know we're not going to be able to get it through some alternative.
02:46:48 Speaker 1
And Danny, I want you to have some energy left for this fight, but I want to see if we can maybe get to just a few more folks who've been really patient before we let you go and really emphasize on on lightning round.
02:46:56 Speaker 11
OK.
02:46:58 Speaker 6
And then and Nick, I actually have to interject here because I have other obligations that I have to address within the next half an hour. And Danny is interfacing through the space on my MacBook through.
02:47:10 Speaker 20
My phone.
02:47:12 Speaker 1
Do you think we can get to 1 quick?
02:47:13 Speaker 1
One then yeah, yeah.
02:47:15 Speaker 1
Yeah, we have.
02:47:15 Speaker 6
Enough time for one more, and then we have.
02:47:17 Speaker 1
To wrap up and then, let's do this again sometime, Danny, because really enthusiastic to be able to speak with you like this. And again, it's so appreciated. We could sometimes these spaces do go for 24 hours. We don't want to.
02:47:19 Speaker 17
That's good.
02:47:28 Speaker 6
Do that today.
02:47:29 Speaker 1
But I think if you can come back for another time.
02:47:32 Speaker 1
We'll have plenty of ones for you. Darcy, you've been very patient along with so many other folks. I think we're gonna make this the last one. If you can be quick and then we will hopefully revisit this.
02:47:38 Speaker 11
OK.
02:47:42 Speaker 10
Yeah. Thanks, nick. Joe Lester, amazing space. I think everybody needed to hear this and.
02:47:51 Speaker 10
You know, really quick, I just wanted to say, Danny, I've spoken to you in the past. I interviewed you a while back about sort of the infighting that was going on in the UFO community with some of the thought leaders out there. My question for you though, just like on this topic, where do you see like major obstacles?
02:48:10 Speaker 10
That could arise.
02:48:11 Speaker 10
We're we're very hopeful that the UA PDA could go through as is, but in terms of disclosure, where do you think things could hinder?
02:48:21 Speaker 10
That progress like.
02:48:22 Speaker 10
We've got conflicts going on in, in the world, two wars actively. Right now we've got.
02:48:29 Speaker 10
You know, economic issues in the United States with the debt ceiling constantly being hit. Do you see any of these sort of macroeconomic situations hindering?
02:48:40 Speaker 10
Disclosure and stopping any of this progress in its tracks, and if you could list sort of like 123, what you think real obstacles are and you know how you might overcome them. Thank you so much.
02:48:55 Speaker 11
OK. No, I I I appreciate the question. Yeah, there's there's no doubt at all that the that the exigencies of the moment are constantly directly in the face of members of Congress and of course, of the executive branch and the President's Office having to deal with these, you know, they're they're struggling. The right now to get the budget.
02:49:15 Speaker 11
Approved. And you know they're the threats to, you know, close the government down still. They postponed it until January 9th.
02:49:22 Speaker 11
They at least got it past the holidays and that I think that the the the efforts to get this bill passed might be extended beyond December 21st of of where we.
02:49:33 Speaker 11
Thought that the the.
02:49:36 Speaker 11
Vote was going to be held on this because it's it's part and parcel of the budget, as you know the the.
02:49:42 Speaker 11
The National Defense.
02:49:43 Speaker 11
Budget, you know, constitutes like you know, 60% or more of the the national budget.
02:49:48 Speaker 11
So this effort to get the the the debt ceiling lifted and to get the budget approved, the National Defense Authorization Act, hinges completely upon getting the budget approved so that we have a little bit more time, but that there's, there's not much doubt in anybody's mind that has a political IQ above room temperature that.
02:50:08 Speaker 11
They're going to approve the.
02:50:09 Speaker 11
Budget. You know, in the the the the group of people who have ousted McCarthy from the speakership and have put in Johnson temporarily, you know, are going to end yielding. You know. They're just like Tommy Tuberville, you know, was giving in finally on agreeing to allow the promotions.
02:50:29 Speaker 11
To go through what she was holding up, you know, the fact is they're going to yield and they're not going to get.
02:50:35 Speaker 11
These kind of.
02:50:36 Speaker 11
These kind of massive cuts to the social spending in the in the budget that they want or threatening to.
02:50:42 Speaker 11
Close down the government.
02:50:44 Speaker 11
You know the the the.
02:50:45 Speaker 11
The leadership of the political parties, they're not.
02:50:47 Speaker 11
Going to allow that to.
02:50:48 Speaker 11
Happen. You know they're going to do whatever it is they have to do to get the bill to get the budget approved, and therefore that that's going to be a temporary problem.
02:50:57 Speaker 11
The the the.
02:50:58 Speaker 11
Most of the implications would be that it might extend the period within which we have to mobilize the citizenry. That would move from just December 21st to January 19th.
02:51:08 Speaker 11
Give us giving us an additional.
02:51:10 Speaker 11
Month almost to work with, but we can't.
02:51:13 Speaker 11
Depend upon that.
02:51:15 Speaker 11
Now the the issues in. As you can tell the the the issues of the funding of not only the war in in the Ukraine, but now the war in the Middle East. You you see that the two things are being hinged together that you've seen in that the the some of the reactionary.
02:51:35 Speaker 11
Republicans are opposing any unbridled.
02:51:40 Speaker 11
Continued funding of the UK.
02:51:41 Speaker 11
More and they're going to be exercising their power, they're going to lose, they're going to lose the ability to shut down the and they're going to lose the ability to prohibit the funding of the Ukraine as well. And so that that's a temporary problem. The war itself is a significant problem. But, you know, everybody's pretty well resolved now.
02:52:02 Speaker 11
At least on the part of NATO.
02:52:03 Speaker 11
Know that they're going to if Putin will step back and agree to to take charge of just those those handful of provinces that are along the westernmost border of Russia and the Russian speaking provinces.
02:52:17 Speaker 11
That have already held it.
02:52:19 Speaker 11
In an actual legitimate plebiscite and have voted to stay in the.
02:52:23 Speaker 11
The in relationship with Russ.
02:52:26 Speaker 11
That that's what's going to happen. There's going to be a settlement in which Russia continued to exercise its authority with regard to those, I think 5 provinces and the, and then the United States is going to refuse to supply military equipment to to western Ukraine to get them to accept the relinquishment of those Russian speaking.
02:52:46 Speaker 11
Provinces there, which which of course include the protection of the the Russian submarine base. You know that they have to protect. It's got the only warm water port there in those in those provinces that's that's going how that's going to get resolved. That's going to take some time to to have that.
02:53:06 Speaker 11
Succeed and then we have to deal. They're going to have to deal with the issue of the Israeli conflict. Now with Gaza, with the Palestinian people, that's going to take some time. But all of those are going to get resolved. But in the meantime, you know, they people may be using the excuse and saying, oh, we have to get these other things thoroughly.
02:53:26 Speaker 11
Finished and resolved before we can possibly turn our attention to something as as important as this. That's not true at all.
02:53:33 Speaker 11
Again, that's the purpose of this. Sure, Bill is to set up a standing committee. You know, a panel of board people for seven years to be able to construct a controlled disclosure campaign to roll this information out. And then what? We're gonna have to do is put up onto the agenda of that board. Their recommendation of having.
02:53:53 Speaker 11
President Biden, go forward to propose a treaty.
02:53:56 Speaker 11
To to prohibit the use of any of these technologies garnered from the UFOs for weapons purposes. Now he's gonna probably be reluctant to try to reach out to try to bring bring Putin on board a such a treaty while we're in active hot warfare with him through the proxies that they're going on now in the Ukraine.
02:54:16 Speaker 11
So that's going to delay that process, but we have to get at that fairly quickly because the longer that these aerospace industries have to finalize the testing of these of of this new super weapon, you know the the prompt global strike W system that they're.
02:54:34 Speaker 11
Working on that, we've got to stand that down as soon as possible and put that on the negotiating table saying.
02:54:40 Speaker 11
Look, we're willing.
02:54:41 Speaker 11
To lay down this.
02:54:42 Speaker 11
Weapon and to refuse to go any further in this deployment or or development and but we.
02:54:47 Speaker 5
Want to have?
02:54:48 Speaker 11
A treaty with Russia and China, whom we know have also recovered craft and are also working diligently.
02:54:54 Speaker 11
Trying to figure out how to back engineer them, we need to have a.
02:54:58 Speaker 11
Treaty to do this.
02:54:59 Speaker 11
And we need to.
02:54:59 Speaker 11
Include the other hypersonic mills like.
02:55:02 Speaker 11
Thing has, you know, we've got to get this all brought under a new treaty that we're going to be able to do that, but it's going to take a little bit of time. I don't think that the argument about the the Ukraine War or the Middle Eastern War is a legitimate grounds for not passing this, this bill and putting it into operation. In fact, it's a strong argument, I mean, but putting this.
02:55:22 Speaker 11
This board in place that can be doing this while the rest of the executive branch is distracted with having to deal with these other global issues, because this is going to take some time. There's an entire one year period during which the gathering of this information is going to be put together, development, that of.
02:55:40 Speaker 11
The the disclosure controlled disclosure campaign plan all of this is going to take a year or more and so that that they need to delegate this to this particular board and and therefore get it off the table of the executive branch having to deal with this daily by putting it at board together to deal with it. So I don't think they're going to be successful in making those arguments.
02:56:02 Speaker 11
With these other major issues such as the getting the budget, getting the the Ukraine war resolved, and getting the Middle Eastern War resolved, even though that Palestinian, the Arab Israelis, has been going on for decades now, I think we can get into at least a state of.
02:56:18 Speaker 11
The essence to where this issue is going to be coming forward in 2005 is going to be is going to be not completely overshadowed by those other problems.
02:56:30 Speaker 6
And that and that's going to be the last question for the and I would like to thank all of you for being with us tonight on our live ex space with Daniel Sheehan, the President of the new Paradigm.
02:56:40 Speaker 6
To and encourage all of you to participate in our call to action campaign by visiting our website, New Paradigm Institute, org, and.
02:56:47 Speaker 6
On that site.
02:56:48 Speaker 6
You access or take action form where you can provide some basic information and directly send a crafted a well crafted message to your representatives advocating for the AP.
02:57:01 Speaker 1
Tyler. Danny, thank you so much for letting us hose your evening. It's so appreciated. We hope we can get you guys back and do this again. I'm gonna actually keep the space going for a little bit. Maybe we can. We have some continued discussion, but guys feel free to break off. And again, let's blow up. Thank you so much. And Danny, it's just been such a pleasure to.
02:57:17 Speaker 1
Be able to follow you over all these years. Thank you so much for joining us.
02:57:20 Speaker 11
Thank you, gang. It's it's all been just building up to this moment all been all these previous cases have just been dress rehearsal, actually, for this one. This is one that we all have to mobilize around.
02:57:31 Speaker 1
I totally get you and I think a lot of us feel that passion this so. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll talk soon. Bye bye. And also nick. Nick, thank you so much. Thank you so much for hosting the space.
02:57:37 Speaker 11
Thank you so much you.
02:57:41 Speaker 6
Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Lester. Thank you everybody who tuned in. It's been an incredible conversation and we will definitely have Danny on again when he's available. Thanks guys.
02:57:51 Speaker 2
So appreciate it well folks.
02:57:54 Speaker 1
I know that I need to go down and get myself a beer at this point because it's definitely that time of the evening, Joe.
02:57:59 Speaker 8
I might. I might have to take.
02:58:00 Speaker 8
Off soon. That's that's cool.
02:58:03 Speaker 1
Thank you so much. You know guys that we could have gone 24 hours and you know, put some of these Twitter spaces to shame that that try to do that, you know, sorry that we weren't able to get to everyone. Some folks had their hands up from like minute one and just there was just too many people and there was also some other folks that just definitely wanted to bring in.
02:58:19 Speaker 1
Thank you for bearing with me. I did the best I could. Obviously having a succinct back and forth with Daniel Sheehan is not something most people have demonstrated the ability.
02:58:27 Speaker 1
To pull off.
02:58:29 Speaker 1
I tried my.
02:58:30 Speaker 8
Best. Yeah. It's really hard because Twitter sucks as far as telling you who put their hand up first, so you don't keep track of it. You need one person just to keep track of that for you.
02:58:34 Speaker 2
It's ridiculous.
02:58:37 Speaker 8
So yeah, sorry we didn't get the people just happens.
02:58:39 Speaker 1
It's ****** ridiculous that they that they just haven't invested in spaces, people, obviously.
02:58:44 Speaker 1
Love using it as.
02:58:45 Speaker 1
A platform it it's cool, but it just needs to tell Elon to like, actually spend a few dollars instead of.
02:58:54 Speaker 1
Yanking dollars out of every one of his departments, there's some great folks who have been on the call. Richard, I see you there. Richard Dolan is with us. I saw that Pines on. He's still on. If you folks want to jump in, you know, have some conversation around that interaction we just had for three hours with Danny. My beer is almost at the ready. You're more than welcome to request.
02:59:15 Speaker 1
I'll get you up here.
02:59:17 Speaker 8
Away. Can you still hear me? Hear me?
02:59:18 Speaker 1
Anyone else? Yeah.
02:59:21 Speaker 9
UM.
02:59:23 Speaker 8
Mike Rogers is not the congressman for Huntsville. It's Dale strong. So that was one correction there. And as far as I know and I'll pull this.
02:59:32 Speaker 8
Up later, Danny did say that.
02:59:35 Speaker 8
Radiance got a $4 billion contract. I just he doesn't remember it, but I believe he said it. I'll put something out on that later. That was it. It was, you know, he has been very skeptical about Schumer rounds in the past. But I think at this point you get to a point where all right, they're about to vote. I need to change gears here and do what I can to help get a pass. He probably still has the same issues.
02:59:55 Speaker 8
But at this point it's kind of irrelevant to be.
02:59:57 Speaker 8
Bringing up your issue, they're about to vote so.
03:00:00 Speaker 8
I would think that's how we.
03:00:01 Speaker 8
Would answer.
03:00:02 Speaker 1
You know, the other thing I'll bring up just one of the I have so many things that we.
03:00:06 Speaker 1
Can probably get into.
03:00:07 Speaker 1
And speak about, but one of the things you know, prompt to global global strike is is essentially a capability.
03:00:13 Speaker 1
That's going to goal.
03:00:15 Speaker 1
I think for many, many years now, as far as our arsenal, both on the conventional clear side.
03:00:20 Speaker 1
It's not a phrase that's specific to UAP reverse engineering programs necessarily. It's the kind of program one could imagine all sorts of IRAD, et cetera, et cetera, is available in and.
03:00:34 Speaker 1
You know, you could see how it would maybe be the type of structure in which a clandestine, you know, not necessarily properly budgeted UAP exploitation program was kind of buried in maybe, you know, it's interesting. We're talking about a company called Radiance and not companies called Lockheed Martin, etc, etc. And it would be, you know, it's interesting, radiance is 100% employee owned.
03:00:54 Speaker 8
Right that.
03:00:54 Speaker 1
That's like a that's like a weird thing. Like, aren't we talking about these mega villainous corporations of, you know, hundreds of thousands of employees, and we've got this relatively small defense contractor is the place where.
03:01:05 Speaker 1
This is, you know, their website seems to indicate you know more fair inventional hypersonic programs. Again, could you imagine that that's where some stuff would be hiding? Yeah, but there's a lot of companies working on actual hypersonics using, you know, various scramjet approaches, etc. There's tons going into that.
03:01:26 Speaker 1
It really seems based on the more publicly available data, that one of Lockheed's more advanced programs around that is this, quote UN quote SR72.
03:01:35 Speaker 1
Which seems to be potentially operational in a limited capacity. At this point. It's certainly not capable of right angles. That's very, you know, not, you know, that's that's antithetical to kind of how most hypersonic platforms function. But you go to Radiance's website and it's speaking about.
03:01:50 Speaker 1
I wouldn't call them conventional hypersonic platforms because it's it's very cutting edge stuff, but it's not UFOs. And so, you know, they would have to be kind of misrepresenting what their actual.
03:01:59 Speaker 2
Looks is, or at least not focus.
03:02:01
Right.
03:02:01 Speaker 1
You know, why would they end up with this stuff? Just cause Stratton and some other connected folks in UA force like, how would that necessarily give them access to materials? There's a lot of questions to go into there. Yeah, I think it's all interesting.
03:02:13 Speaker 8
No good questions and it's one more thing. Yeah. He did bring up and I was happy he brought up. He said he couldn't stand up and help stop this if they want and Democrats.
03:02:22 Speaker 8
And speak up too, because.
03:02:24 Speaker 8
You know, a week ago, Adam Smith, who's the the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, as reported by News Nation.
03:02:30 Speaker 8
He was asked about this and he's like, it's not his main priority. So I don't think it's their main priority for the most part, they may vote for it, but I don't think they're voting for the NDAA because Schumer rounds is in there and those people really need to speak up. I've talked about it on Twitter a lot. He's spoken about the Republicans, but the Democrats could speak up too, especially in the House. They could make waves, they could say.
03:02:50 Speaker 8
Listen, I am not voting for this unless sure rounds is in there, in full or or without eminent domain. If that's a big hold up for some folks. But so far we haven't seen that. So it'll I'm very curious to see if that does.
03:03:02 Speaker 8
Happen and if they do extend the deadline? I know Dean Johnson says once it gets into the the conference report, it's basically over, even if the vote hasn't happened yet, they don't change that conference report very often. So yeah, I don't know what's.
03:03:15 Speaker 1
Gonna happen shutting down the NDA when you're in the Democrats position does not seem all that likely to me. It's the Republicans are going to be on board and you're already in a minority.
03:03:25 Speaker 1
And you know you would need so many of the Democrats to support something like that.
03:03:29 Speaker 8
Right. It's got to be Republicans mostly.
03:03:31 Speaker 2
But you're right that just.
03:03:32 Speaker 1
The political airing of it more publicly like Schumer did do yesterday. We saw a couple other tweets from folks. I think Garcia in the house, you know, he's like the one house Democrat, you know, tweeting about this **** even. Well, Moskowitz, I guess.
03:03:45 Speaker 2
Too, too, yeah.
03:03:46 Speaker 1
But it's like it's the two of them.
03:03:47 Speaker 8
It's not enough. It's not.
03:03:49 Speaker 1
Enough. You know, it's ironic that it's two of them, and then a bunch of like, just to put a name on it, like the kind of ultra magas or, you know, some of those types of influences, or at least the more destabilizing influences in terms of, like, the Republican control of the house structure health. You know, you've got.
03:04:03 Speaker 1
Burchett, Mace, Luna, Gates these are four of the 8 Republicans who kind of put Mike Johnson in charge. Also kind of indicates that those guys, you know, despite being 50% of what got Mike Johnson his current job, aren't necessarily as influential with him as, say, Birch it in one point or you would think that they would have.
03:04:23 Speaker 1
A decent amount to pull if they wanted to, just from the Republican side of things.
03:04:28 Speaker 8
That's the key word right there. If they wanted to, they, as far as I can tell, they don't care about this. And you know, it would be nice if they all supported this. They don't support this. Maybe one day they will. Maybe if they get briefed and they're like, you know what?
03:04:41 Speaker 8
This is potentially the most important story in our history. We need to hold up the NDA and get this passed.
03:04:45 Speaker 1
Do you think it's just they don't think it's real? They're having their own ontological shock and they're they're pushing it away. They don't want to know what the **** is going on.
03:04:48 Speaker 8
I don't know.
03:04:50 Speaker 8
I think that's part of it.
03:04:54 Speaker 9
With UFO's.
03:04:55 Speaker 8
Like it's it's either they don't want.
03:04:57 Speaker 8
To know or they don't believe it, and I think it's the same.
03:05:00 Speaker 8
Everybody, my family and friends, they don't even comment on it anymore. Once it got into crafting bodies, I spoke with somebody like a month ago, two months ago, in the summer, an older couple who was visiting my.
03:05:09 Speaker 8
Complex in the pool and I was talking about UFOs and the guy was like, yeah, I've. I've always believed that.
03:05:14 Speaker 8
His wife, in their mid 60s.
03:05:16 Speaker 8
They were cool with it and then I thought when I said and now there's David Grush who's talking about non human intact craft and non human bodies. And she said now you're starting to scare me. It's like we crossed that line and.
03:05:28 Speaker 8
It's like I don't.
03:05:28 Speaker 8
Want to hear this anymore? I don't know if it's.
03:05:30 Speaker 8
Conscious or on a conscious level, but yeah.
03:05:31 Speaker 1
I mean, haven't we been talking?
03:05:32 Speaker 14
About this **** for 80 years.
03:05:33 Speaker 8
We we have, but we'll have not and they still want to talk about sports and I love.
03:05:37 Speaker 8
Sports. But they'd rather talk about this that than this was, I think, at at some level they realize this is gonna change a lot of how our lives are eventually. I don't know when that point will come. Maybe it's 100 years from now, I don't know, but eventually it's gonna, especially if the proof is there and then all of a sudden they show up. They're like, yeah, we're here. What are you gonna do about it? I don't know if that's going to happen, but yeah, I don't know.
03:05:59 Speaker 8
As far as Congress, I don't know. It's like, you know, you see all this briefings are going on and you got the top.
03:06:05 Speaker 8
Republican, you got the top Democrat and it's like everybody else is like, yeah, yeah. Who cares what the heck, non human. It's all just 22.
03:06:12 Speaker 8
Times. So what?
03:06:13 Speaker 1
It's so weird because you know the idea in the American public just broadly that there's a real possibility that beings from somewhere else, we may have thought they were on Mars or Venus or whatever.
03:06:24 Speaker 1
But that idea was much more mainstream in many ways in like the 1950s and 60s than it is today. Like I wonder if that's just because of so many decades of, like, the science fiction location of this topic. And UFOs, for so many are like just an area within fiction. And so to break it back out to, like, a possible thing.
03:06:43 Speaker 1
In their real world.
03:06:45 Speaker 1
Quote UN quote is just much harder now than when we still didn't even know if there were whole like cities on Mars potentially. And so like when that was in your possibility space as a public you maybe, I mean people were like ready to welcome the Martians practically. And there was a lot of public talk of beings visiting Earth from somewhere else. And now it's.
03:07:05 Speaker 1
No one wants to. No one wants to hear it and you know, I think that's partially why keeping it to UAP is sometimes useful and not getting into all the other stuff, especially when they're trying to read people in and get them even a little interested.
03:07:17 Speaker 1
I don't know Matthew Hines. What do you think about this whole conversation that we just had for three plus hours with with Danny and everything that was said, everything that was and said everything we had to? Your thoughts. What's top of mind?
03:07:27 Speaker 7
For you, man. Yeah, that was a great space. And you really got you got a lot of, you know, sometimes it's hard to it's hard to. It's hard to stop them once you get them going. But that was great. Great discussion covered a lot.
03:07:37 Speaker 7
I definitely wanted to drill down on the radiance prompt global strike piece of this because I think that explicates kind of almost like an implicit, maybe increasingly explicit division, and the policy objectives behind folks pushing for disclosure because he referenced a specific capability parameter 2 minutes from launch to strike, which is.
03:07:56 Speaker 7
Vastly different than I think, even what folks in kind of the military would describe as being the performance envelope for the envisioned hypersonic systems, which is maybe an hour ish. So he's really making the very, like, specific claim that they have, you know, applied.
03:08:14 Speaker 7
You know, really next generation or beyond next generation physics knowledge into developing these weapon systems sort of delivery capabilities and and that there might be folks inside the US government inside the Senate that might view the disclosure or the undermining of that national capability to the you know.
03:08:34 Speaker 7
The major on negative, even if they're pro disclosure on the non human intelligence.
03:08:39 Speaker 7
And so I think potentially conjoining those two things and as well as conjoining the specific sort of global policy proposal around an arms treaty restricting global access and development of weapons based on these technologies. It's an ambitious but perhaps policy objective. But for the sort of to the ear of the Senate.
03:08:58 Speaker 7
Services Committee of the House Services.
03:09:00 Speaker 7
They might be seen especially in the current political context, as tying America's hands behind its back wall. Our adversaries continue to develop a pace, and this of course you look at the Senate own language when they wrote the the FY23 and now the FY24 bill like there was an explicit reference to the possibility of strategic technology surprised by foreign adversaries.
03:09:21 Speaker 7
Motivating some of this so I know there is this risk of sort of an arms race dynamic sort of chasing chasing. This is yeah, yeah.
03:09:27 Speaker 1
Can I? Can I throw like a a monkey wrench into this just from just from a like a? Let's put the possibility out there. I'm a believer in that.
03:09:36 Speaker 1
This topic is so easy.
03:09:38 Speaker 1
If you wanted to, and again I I'll.
03:09:40 Speaker 1
Constantly joke that Susan Goff is like the easiest.
03:09:42 Speaker 1
Job at the.
03:09:42 Speaker 1
Pentagon to **** with the UFO people.
03:09:45 Speaker 1
Like, do they even pay her for that? Like, does it even have to involve anyone doing anything at this point? Is it completely just a feedback loop that developed decades ago?
03:09:54 Speaker 21
Is it a?
03:09:54 Speaker 1
Possibility that someone is feeding ideas about recovered.
03:09:58 Speaker 1
Technology and radio.
03:09:59 Speaker 1
As a red herring, could that be SIOP to cover conventional hypersonic programs like, you know, could that be? I mean, there's so many reasons someone could expose that scenario for other reasons.
03:10:12 Speaker 8
Right. Well and.
03:10:13 Speaker 7
You were right to push on that specific source because I think that's the nub of that question. It's such a specific allegation and he brought it up and he explicitly described how he is using it.
03:10:21 Speaker 7
As a as a potentially a point of leverage in the overall negotiation that this, this public threat that I will, I will disclose more information about these programs and unless you compromise or capitulate in this bargaining, it makes the source of.
03:10:36 Speaker 7
That and the, you know, credence, we described it could have essential to what we think is the coherence of that bargaining strategy, right, like if it's actually just disinformation or a slap, then that bargaining strategy is going to be that block is gonna be called. Right. So it matters a lot to the extent that we ascribe creates to that particular claim as to whether the leverage is there or isn't there. Of course, Danny, in his long history has had the goods.
03:10:57 Speaker 7
Before, but in these claims, right like this is, you know these claims I think are extremely important to try to drill.
03:11:03 Speaker 7
Into it's it's.
03:11:04 Speaker 1
Weird. It's like, you know when if you take for granted, like I do that UAP are perfectly real and just as ******* weird as everyone.
03:11:11 Speaker 1
Says they are.
03:11:12 Speaker 1
You know, and I have my own reasons for feeling that way. You know, the possibilities of what's being done and what could have, you know, gotten into someone's hands. It's like, yeah, it's totally possible. Like, I do get it. It's just it seems like for disinfo and the other thing I was wondering while he was talking about delivering A nuke with UFO tech.
03:11:32 Speaker 1
Is like. Aren't you a little beyond the nukes when you're delivering them with something that makes nukes itself looks like a total joke? Like you know how you know? Are you worried that the thing that you delivered the nuke, you know that makes nukes look like a joke when you set it off with a nuke and whatever like maybe could lead to some bad things happening like?
03:11:48 Speaker 1
It just seems like a a strange kind of way. You would might use you AP tech. I I would see why I could see how someone would like to be in the position of saying we actually can own you and and mad is busted and it's because we own it now. And sorry folks and that seems very destabilizing. Like Danny said, you know, mad at least.
03:12:08 Speaker 1
Not new cold for a lot of decades. It might be crazy. We might want to denuclearize, you know? Get rid of our nuclear weapons.
03:12:14 Speaker 1
But I don't know, it just seems like a weird thing like almost almost want to say like you could take out other people's missiles, not even necessarily as a delivery system, but as a defense system. And say you can't nuke us anymore like that. How I would flex that technology if I was trying to build a capability around it, not necessarily to create a totally.
03:12:35 Speaker 1
Utterly destabilizing situation by being like we can just kill anyone at any time.
03:12:40 Speaker 1
I don't know something.
03:12:40 Speaker 7
Yeah, I mean, the current, the, the, the current development of like nuclear force posture and strategic doctrine is actually quite it's undergoing, you know quite a radical shift with China's, you know rapid advance and development of both the number as well as the capabilities of their nuclear arsenal as well as sort of a shift in their doctrine that envisages potentially using Icbms as a conventional strike, right. So if they want to.
03:13:00 Speaker 7
Interrupt our mobilization. Domestically, they might decide to just conventionally tip one of their Icbms. Of course, we wouldn't know that it's eventually tipped until it hits, so that that's introducing a lot of uncertainty into the sort of traditional mutual destruction kind of.
03:13:17 Speaker 7
On sort of counter strike doctrine as well as the fact that just the overall between Russia and China are starting to like reach parity with the.
03:13:25 Speaker 7
US so there's.
03:13:26 Speaker 7
Quite a big like talk and the strategic deterrence sort of world about sort of instability emerging in that framework, which is held for many decades. So they have, like, have a literally deploying.
03:13:37 Speaker 7
Where an adversary recognizes that they potentially are vulnerable to a first strike that would be fundamentally destabilizing for the past 60 plus years.
03:13:46 Speaker 7
Strategic doctrine, and I think that's that's well recognized and understood as being a potential issue. You know whether it's a 2.
03:13:53 Speaker 7
Minute or or or.
03:13:54 Speaker 7
Or one hour. I mean ACMS are very hard to stop regardless, so I don't think that's such capability changes the strategic dynamics which are already unstable. So yeah, I know that's a little bit of a sidebar, but it's important because he's.
03:14:06 Speaker 7
Holding it out as this point of leverage in the overall kind of high stakes negotiation that's currently underway over the over the bill. So think it matters like, well, what else does he have up his sleeve that he's sort of dangling this global strike revelation is sort of the tip of the iceberg for us. So I don't know. That was my thoughts. Happy to.
03:14:25 Speaker 7
Pass the batanda. I'm sure others have have conversation on this.
03:14:28 Speaker 1
Yeah, I'm going to bring some other folks in again if anyone else would like to speak, who's on, but who's just listening and more than welcome to request again. They just make it.
03:14:35 Speaker 1
Impossible to really really.
03:14:37 Speaker 1
Pay attention. So I'm having to sort of like just use this gestalt. Looking at all of the icons and try to figure out which one has changed a little bit, but or I wanted to.
03:14:46 Speaker 1
Bring you in, man.
03:14:47 Speaker 1
What's your thoughts on that, that conversation, everything that was brought up, things that we didn't get to, it's?
03:14:53 Speaker 12
Yeah, and thanks for hosting these spaces, Nick and Joe, it's awesome, Matthew. I'd love also to hear your thoughts on this. And I also wanted to say, Nick, the last time I asked the question, the next day I heard you in a space and you were on fire. I thought they had like put LSD in my sour patch kids. And then I realized that would just be too good of a world. I really appreciate you embodying the passion of the the UFO community.
03:15:15 Speaker 1
Thank you, man. I appreciate that very much.
03:15:17 Speaker 12
Yeah, for real. I don't know if other people feel this way, but for me, when Danny said the president might not even know, I'm starting to have, like, a dude. Where's my government feeling and.
03:15:29 Speaker 12
My understanding is regarding the allegations that grush makes directly, indirectly and entail through the LAPD, the AP Schumer amendment aren't there. Only two possibilities? Isn't this whole thing? Either it's legal but feckless leadership and you know.
03:15:49 Speaker 12
Bureaucratic oversight that, that, that initial oversight got lost between, you know, feckless leadership.
03:15:56 Speaker 12
And an over classification, you know somewhere lost in the couch cushions of bureaucracy, I said it's to.
03:16:01 Speaker 19
With this.
03:16:02 Speaker 1
Believe, man, right? It sounds crazy on its face, right?
03:16:05 Speaker 12
But I just wanna because I'm not. I'm not a lawyer, but just deductively speaking, aren't there only two options that this somehow is legal, but we don't understand the own ******** laws we wrote and it's somewhere between?
03:16:16 Speaker 12
DOE and CIA and or this is the greatest intergovernmental crime in U.S. history. Is there another possibility?
03:16:25 Speaker 1
It's a great point. I'm so glad I brought you up to say that because it was getting at something that I had just been thinking of, but then forgot and blanked this notion that, yeah, and I think Danny is kind of asserting this, and this is what I've I've even said this, you know, publicly in the last week on Twitter. Like, I think the eminent domain clause is like, it's a way of putting the the bow at the end of the tank.
03:16:47 Speaker 1
Cannon like it.
03:16:48 Speaker 1
It's like there's no way that the.
03:16:51 Speaker 1
U.S. government and the military can't just go in and grab whatever they want from any private contractor if they think it's this like nuclear weapons grade stuff like, it's just crazy to me that like it even needs to be codified legally when it seems all the existing nuclear regulation would give them all the authority they need to, like, grab the dangerous UFO stuff from space the moment they wanted to.
03:17:09 Speaker 1
It's also absurd to me that when, like Biden and and all of these guys know, that they're sticking around and I'm pretty sure this is my gut. This is totally my own personal.
03:17:19 Speaker 1
But I think they've gotten some kind of a briefing. Maybe that says we think a possibility for this is extraterrestrial activity. Let's say they've only been given that, which I think they've gotten a lot more than that. The presidents, frankly. But I mean, what, so they're just not curious all of a.
03:17:33 Speaker 1
Sudden about like.
03:17:34 Speaker 1
The decades and decades and decades that.
03:17:35 Speaker 3
They're well aware.
03:17:36 Speaker 1
Of of like notions of a government.
03:17:38 Speaker 1
Up and that it's in the contractors like, I just find it hard to believe that the President on something like this would just be, like, completely out of it when I can go to radiance and then these people. What I mean like, if if he, if Biden showed up, are they going to be like you can't come here? Mr. President?
03:17:53 Speaker 1
Like he's the commander in chief.
03:17:55 Speaker 1
You know, they're these.
03:17:55 Speaker 1
Are defense contractors, they're under contract. They're currently under all sorts of obligations to be following the far the Federal acquisition Regulation and it's like I just find it kind of absurd that see, this is what I think the possibility could be this, I guess my answer to your question is how I would look at it.
03:18:13 Speaker 1
Like I think the executive branch we I think if we really do have to look at it constitutionally, the IC, the DoD and the and like the guy that the IC and DoD are very typically wired around thinking of as the customer is the President of the United States, he's either running them militarily, technically or, you know, he's the customer of all of the intelligence product at the end of the day.
03:18:37 Speaker 1
I I don't know. It's just so hard to imagine that he'd be so out of the loop. So what I think has happened is that the branch itself might, because they can do this all themselves. They don't need any other branch of government to do this. So if the executive branch itself decided, hey, we're going to call this illegal, and we're going to do all of this shady ****.
03:18:57 Speaker 1
Around it, but like to us it's perfectly legal. Ohh. And it's also totally that we haven't like really run that by the other two branches of the government. So it's like they're gonna say it's legal. It's probably just fundamentally not constitutional.
03:19:09 Speaker 1
Illegal they they're going to argue that national security in the presidential position in the unique position that the President has in our in our constitutional system is that he has ultimate reign over national security issues and that it was deemed through some secretive order, that the President thought that this all just needs to be completely under the thumb of the executive branch. There's no way we can read the legislative in on this.
03:19:30 Speaker 1
And that's just how we're gonna operate. Damn it. And we're gonna really do a lot of **** to make sure that we don't get called out on that.
03:19:36 Speaker 1
And now they're getting called.
03:19:37 Speaker 1
Out on it a little.
03:19:39 Speaker 1
But to think that the President, you know, hasn't been to some degree in the loop on that, I, I find it so.
03:19:46 Speaker 7
Hard to believe the section 9002 of the of the APDA and then the findings. Specifically, number six legislation is necessary to restore proper oversight over unidentified anonymous.
03:20:00 Speaker 7
On the records by elected officials in both the executive and legislative branch of the.
03:20:03 Speaker 7
Government that has otherwise been lacking as of the enactment of this act, which implies elected officials in the executive branch, there are only two elected officials in the executive branch, the president and Vice President. So the the the drafters of that bill believe that the President, Vice President, did not have proper oversight of all the relevant records.
03:20:21 Speaker 12
Matthew, are you saying that according to your understanding, this whole thing couldn't be legal if the CIA and the DOJ are just running this thing without presidential oversight?
03:20:30 Speaker 7
So the degree of like, what's legal and what's being properly overseen is a little bit more of A is a more of a subtle distinction, right? Things can be things could be legal in the sense that those those agencies could interpret the statutes, they could have their own, you know, legal counsel, right, you know, draft of opinions and say yes, like within our Title, 50 authorities. Yeah, yeah, yadda. But if the president.
03:20:50 Speaker 7
Himself feels like he doesn't have oversight.
03:20:52 Speaker 7
Right then that's a problem, irrespective whether it's legal or or or illegal. He wants to know or she wants to know that that the things that need to be briefed to them, to be briefed to them. They also make allegations in those same findings that certain records were improperly classified under transmission for nuclear information. Tfi under Atomic Energy Act, meaning.
03:21:11 Speaker 7
There was over.
03:21:12 Speaker 7
Broad interpretation of the provisions of the Atomic Energy Act as applying to special nuclear.
03:21:16 Speaker 7
Serial as a sort of a loophole to classify UAP related materials. That was sort of an improper application of that statute. Now, some might call that illegal, depending on how strict you want to apply those definitions, but it's certainly in the view of the drafters of this bill and in proper application of existing statutes. So this is where kind of you.
03:21:37 Speaker 7
Have to. Yeah, I I try to be a little more literal in terms of how I assess these things. I guess the broader narrative though, as David Gresham LED, is that these are sort of rogue programs using.
03:21:46 Speaker 7
Legit, conventional, potentially special access programs that had been properly, you know, waived by order and verbally briefed to gang of eight, but using those official valid conventional facts as illegitimate cover for unreported illicit quote UN quote rogues to do these UAP related activities. That's like the core of that was sort of I think the substance of his.
03:22:07 Speaker 7
Inspector General.
03:22:08 Speaker 7
Complained that these things were being done improperly, not going to the proper oversight briefings to gang of eight or the President, and that along the way, you know, things related to financial improprieties, you know, and things related to the off book funding of these programs. I read stuff, all that stuff starts to kick in. That's where you might get to the more explicit illegal behavior.
03:22:27 Speaker 9
Can I?
03:22:28 Speaker 1
Can I ask you a question? And it's gonna be really blunt and people are gonna be insulted by it. And once again, I'll just be the ******* in UFO.
03:22:33 Speaker 1
World, but it's.
03:22:34 Speaker 1
Fine. I'm gonna because I framed it this way because I think it's really important for us to think through these issues in a very nuanced fashion. And I appreciate the folks who bring that to the conversation.
03:22:44 Speaker 1
Is Danny asking us to believe he has more intelligence on these programs than the President of the United States? Is that how we read what we heard from him? Because again, I just get like.
03:22:56 Speaker 1
Is that possible? Is that realistic? Like like not to say that Danny is, you know, making things up or whatever. I think he's representing. Clearly, I think we can all say to what he believes to be truth. He he believes me and is gonna represent that in a strong way. And I respect that. But he in some ways it seems like he's asserting he has more goods on this.
03:23:16 Speaker 1
There's a UFO program that's being improperly run.
03:23:20 Speaker 1
Then, then Biden and I just, you know, again, I wonder is that realistic and and the reason I say this is because, like, I'm really of the mind instead of act because for decades there's been these ideas that the president hasn't read in the president isn't read in talking about ******* SIOP like, how do we know that whole line?
03:23:38 Speaker 1
Just isn't SIOP.
03:23:40 Speaker 1
Like that would be the perfect SIOP is to make up this in the UFO world that the President isn't read in.
03:23:45 Speaker 1
Suddenly it absolves.
03:23:46 Speaker 1
The president of any responsibility for actually running the executive branch of the government, including his singular position, head of the DoD and the customer of, you know, all of the IC products, presumably at the end of the day.
03:23:57 Speaker 1
It's the the daily briefing that gets summarized. Of course they understand things in a highly summarized way, and I think the other thing we all need to take very strongly into account is when you're the President of States and you kind of like know about that stuff and tacitly understand maybe that's been a thing to some degree for a while. Like just being OK with it and knowing it exists.
03:24:18 Speaker 1
Then you don't want to know the dirt. It's not politically useful to suddenly be the guy who knows all The Dirty ****. So you know you might be in a position of almost wanting to remove yourself from certain dirty details that you just learned you inherited. But you know, absolving the President of responsibility for this situation is a grave.
03:24:39 Speaker 1
Mistake because.
03:24:41 Speaker 1
He clearly has more intelligence than most of us on this topic. He's clearly gotten the intelligence assessments on, you know what, his AP thing probably are, I think probably to his satisfaction and like, oh, ****, really.
03:24:53 Speaker 1
And and it.
03:24:54 Speaker 12
May depend on how you define intelligence, but I think.
03:24:56 Speaker 1
Yeah, right. But but we we have to, I think we have to hold him responsible. He's still an elected official and he's in the singular position.
03:25:04 Speaker 1
Again, the President does not need EU APDA at any moment to completely change the framework on thinking about UAP, if indeed there's something interesting to reveal, the President could unilaterally change the UAP classification guidelines by decree. By decree. I mean the precedent that's now been set for, you know, your leeway with intelligence.
03:25:24 Speaker 1
Information as the president is pretty broad, so we know he can declassify, you know, maybe not verbally. Yes, maybe there is a process you're technically supposed to go through, but no one really pushed back ever looking at some of the Trump stuff in the material.
03:25:38 Speaker 1
The fundamental idea that the President could kind of unilaterally declassify information, whatever it is, really at their sole discretion. And so I think we've got to hold POTUS way more to the fire on this shift. Frankly. You know, the fact that he squirms away from press conferences when we're shooting down 3 UAP in three days.
03:25:58 Speaker 1
You know, for the first time Norad's ever engaged anything and the head of NORAD, who ran the shoot down operation couldn't take extraterrestrials off the table. Quote.
03:26:05 Speaker 1
Quote like we deserve more and POTUS doesn't want to share. He didn't want to have that press conference. Schumer and others were very much like. You need to talk to.
03:26:13 Speaker 1
The American people.
03:26:14 Speaker 1
Joe Biden, the time he was active, asked about Obama's statement, and he just squirms out of it and says you should ask him again, you know, and then literally walked away. I mean, you know, I just, I hope people are really aiming at POTUS in their communications with their elected officials and.
03:26:28 Speaker 1
Keeping it in mind because I think this idea that the President isn't sort of at least tacitly aware of this.
03:26:34 Speaker 1
It's just absurd to me. It's it's silly on its face that all of us here on this Twitter space know more about this than the.
03:26:40 Speaker 1
President of the.
03:26:40 Speaker 1
United States. I just, I don't know.
03:26:43 Speaker 1
I try to stay humble, right?
03:26:47 Speaker 1
Hey, Lester, I saw that here. I'd love to have you jump in. I'm curious what your thoughts are. Thank you so much for the summaries you were providing. It was really useful even to me. So I really appreciate that as we were going there in the kind of channel. But what's going on? What were your thoughts, man? I'm sure you have a lot to process there.
03:27:05 Speaker 5
Yeah. No, it was a. It was really fantastic space. And I think just on your most recent point related to the president's role in all of this, the upcoming debate, presidential debate tomorrow on his nation will be interesting.
03:27:20 Speaker 5
To see if.
03:27:22 Speaker 5
The moderators choose to address the AP topic or not. I think part of you know what you're saying is valid in that regardless of anything else, as we move forward, that role will how they very outsized opinion and what happens just given its ability to again like you said, have you a lot of controls to do certain things. So like I think there's gonna be a very interesting.
03:27:43 Speaker 5
It will be very interesting to see if the AP topic becomes a presidential topic next year, but there was just so much coming back to the space. There was so much those that I don't, I don't really know where to really.
03:27:52 Speaker 5
Start or engage.
03:27:55 Speaker 5
I I think the the the IT it's hard to really pin down a a coherent narrative because there was just so much ground cover. But but I do think there are a lot of good questions being asked. One of the things I really want to do.
03:28:09 Speaker 5
See though is Matthew piece, I would love to get a if you are so graciously pulse check just.
03:28:14 Speaker 5
Like I I love the way your perspective is on this topic. Like given all the things that have happened, small conference, all the UA PDA stuff, things coming from Danny Shen, the allegations about the CIA, global access programs, where is your perspective at in terms of where the issue stands given the other geopolitical environment and elements that?
03:28:35 Speaker 5
You know are coinciding with this process that's unfolding currently.
03:28:40 Speaker 7
Ohh man. Well that's that's a long, long complicated question. I would say the bottom line is I think you you see folks like Karl Nell and Chris Mellon recognizing that they have to kind of calibrate this process. You know, push it along, but know that there are sort of a lot of unknown unknowns.
03:29:00 Speaker 7
A lot of variables that could come in from the left field.
03:29:02 Speaker 7
And quickly consume policymaker attention while they need to sort of drive this behind the scenes. So I think there was a lot of behind the scenes momentum try to get this bill passed. So I think there's a lot of attention on getting it passed and then assuming that it does pass or something like it gets passed, that's like reasonably strong with the core provisions in it. Then I think they would like to sort of have it go slightly back behind the scenes a little bit.
03:29:23 Speaker 7
Further, while the board gets constituted because I think ultimately you know disclosure or confirmation or whatever you know and that you know, postulated kind of official actions or statements come down the line, they're gonna come with massive ramifications that would need to be planned for across all sectors of society and so.
03:29:38 Speaker 7
Political balance of of of sort of strategic interest and so.
03:29:42 Speaker 7
I think.
03:29:43 Speaker 7
Nobody has a master plan. I think nobody has like sitting with like, you know, the the the game of.
03:29:47 Speaker 7
Risk and being.
03:29:48 Speaker 7
Like, OK, we'll have what happened if we disclosed, you know, June of 2024 or something. Anybody has anything like that crystal ball or even kind of a strategic?
03:29:56 Speaker 7
Sense. I mean, I like that the I think there was a.
03:29:59 Speaker 7
A presentation that Carl gave it that at soul that had I think I'll take a picture of it, maybe in permissive but basically have like a typical kind of D kind of flow chart or kind of timeline and that's in fact even the name that's in the Disclosure Act is a controlled disclosure camp.
03:30:16 Speaker 7
Main plan and like the security, the security strategy of the defense part is like a whole doctrine thing, like strategic campaign planning. Like this is like a whole kind of like the technical jargon in the military. And of course Chrome is very familiar with that kind of cold kind of concept of you have different sort of threads, you sort of delegate responsibility for assessing say social impact theological.
03:30:39 Speaker 7
You know, political impact, geopolitical, economic impact and these are different lanes, you have working task forces, you get a bunch of subject matter experts, you sort of put them into the room and you have them develop, you know different plans. And this is sort of a very sort of military way of approaching problems. It's somewhat of a linear way of approaching problems if we just like have this campaign plan, we meet these milestones, we develop these documents to write these policy papers.
03:30:59 Speaker 7
Convene these working group meetings. You know dot dot, dot, then like, quote UN quote disclosure happens and then we move on to sort of post disclosure implementation. It's.
03:31:07 Speaker 7
You know, I I find it to be a bit anachronistic. Of course, it's kind of the best we've got, you know, given the state of the state of things in this topic, this is highly gonna be a very nonlinear, inherently unpredictable process. If it continues in the trajectory that the disclosure disclosure folks are trying to push.
03:31:24 Speaker 7
It in so I think it's sort of one.
03:31:27 Speaker 7
That intellectually humble, that there's just no way to predict.
03:31:29 Speaker 7
How this would evolve past whatever stipulated point you reach when you get, say, presidential confirmation, or when the board discloses information that is, you know, like reasonably dispositive for the mass public, that this is real. So I think you can do the best you can to prepare and plan, but I'm not sure that that preparation and planning is being done. It's kind of a catch 22. That's until you get the.
03:31:50 Speaker 7
Path until you get sufficient kind of social and political and sort of official institutional recognition of this codified in law and now with this sort of board. It's kind of hard then to sort of bring in the rest of the sort of the broader policy walk space to sort of kick off the stigma. I'll just give one good example of this is like.
03:32:07 Speaker 7
On on the financial stability side, so I focus a lot on cyber security risk political risk as well as sort of financial stability risk. And to my knowledge like this is not a risk that's been seriously, you know, analyzed a lot of the political stuff and theological stuff. But we've seen how in very prosaic and the financial system is very vulnerable. Payment systems are pretty brittle, handful of people in central banks.
03:32:28 Speaker 7
And and banks kind of keep the lights on for global payments and clearing systems. Those things interrupted if people stop showing up to work or there's a run on certain banks, or there's a certain collapse of trust in certain institutions, that could be a very destabilizing kind of systemic risk. We've seen examples of that in just sort of entirely normal financial risks.
03:32:45 Speaker 7
And I haven't seen kind of serious planning for how those institutions would manage such an event. I think those things, you know, need to be properly considered before you just sort of Yolo everything out to the public people, their credit cards to work tomorrow, right? Yeah.
03:32:58 Speaker 1
The problem though, right?
03:33:00 Speaker 1
Isn't the basic.
03:33:01 Speaker 1
Truth, at least if you if you hold open the hypothesis that UAP, some of them, represent something pretty, quote UN quote outlier based on a lot of current frameworks.
03:33:10 Speaker 1
At the end of the.
03:33:11 Speaker 1
Say, isn't it really just the acknowledgement itself of what reality is potentially the thing that's the hardest to break? Because we can go into these details about, you know, all of the ramifications of this way or that way or the other, or like how you dole it out? Or I mean all of it. But like, isn't it really at the end of the day, simply a question of like?
03:33:32 Speaker 1
Are we alone? Is there something?
03:33:34 Speaker 1
Else with us here.
03:33:35 Speaker 1
That's potentially vastly, you know, more capable on some levels at least. I mean, we can break it down, but I just, I think we'll, I don't know, are we, are we working away from just what the actual question is that it really all comes down to are people ready to deal with that and still go to all the details, the bodies.
03:33:55 Speaker 1
This many aliens and what they're up to. It's like a lot of those questions would arise, but they all arise from the most basic acknowledgement of the topic that's even possible. So.
03:34:08 Speaker 1
It just strikes me that like you're just going to keep ************.
03:34:11 Speaker 1
To keep the.
03:34:12 Speaker 1
Delaying what you ultimately know is the big thing. No one wants to cross, which is.
03:34:16 Speaker 1
Acknowledging what the **** the AP.
03:34:17 Speaker 1
Are and so I don't know how do you.
03:34:19 Speaker 1
Get around that. Yeah, it's, it's.
03:34:21 Speaker 8
Funny you say that.
03:34:22 Speaker 8
Because Luau Elizondo said, you know, imagine everything you've.
03:34:25 Speaker 8
Been taught in.
03:34:25 Speaker 8
Sunday school.
03:34:27 Speaker 8
By by your school system, by your parents at the dinner table is not really the way things are. And there's something above us in the food chain. He's like, do you even need a government? I mean, this is Lou talking about this. And you can imagine government thinking through all of this. They're like, do we?
03:34:42 Speaker 8
Really need to do this.
03:34:43 Speaker 8
And like you said, they'll delay it. I would think. Pass it, pass the buck and delay as delay it as much as possible. One thing that you talked about, do they know do we know more than certain people a perfect example of that is in 1997 when.
03:34:57 Speaker 8
Steven Greer. Admiral. Not Admiral. Commander. Naval commander Will Miller. Edgar Mitchell. They went to the Pentagon and they briefed Admiral Wilson. Who was the vice director of intelligence for the joint staff. He didn't know anything. He wasn't briefed on anything. The next and then January of 98, they briefed the director, the DIA Director.
03:35:16 Speaker 8
Lieutenant General Patrick Hughes, once again the guy was frustrated. He goes anything you see that doll over there, that ET doll? That's what I know. Kept out of the loop, as Miller would say, for plausible.
03:35:53 Speaker 8
Did it get lost?
03:35:56 Speaker 1
Ohh sorry Joe. I I was muted myself. ******* everything up here. I'm sorry guys.
03:35:59 Speaker 8
Sorry, did I get cut off at I don't.
03:36:01 Speaker 8
Know I got a call, sorry.
03:36:02 Speaker 1
You you did.
03:36:03 Speaker 1
A little bit and then I accidentally muted myself for something, so we'll just consider that a ****** of the last few moments. But what my point? I just wanted to quickly make is.
03:36:10 Speaker 1
If you have requested status and that's a kind of legacy status from when Danny was on, do.
03:36:15 Speaker 1
Me a favor.
03:36:16 Speaker 1
You know, if you still want to join into the conversation, that's fine. We have, you know, a bunch of people with that status right now, and we'll try to get to you, especially if you had been waiting very patiently to speak with Danny directly. But if you no longer really feel a need to speak, if you could take yourself out of that status, it just keeps things a little bit.
03:36:31 Speaker 1
Dear, from an organizational standpoint, thank you.
03:36:35 Speaker 1
Joe, I'm sorry. Can you finish your thoughts please, ma'am?
03:36:37 Speaker 8
What got cut off? I don't know where it ended. I was just saying that I get to the part where they were briefing Admiral Wilson. The The the vice director of intelligence in 97 and then the director of the DIA in 98. And both of them basically said, yeah, we're not. We don't have access. We're not right in to any of these programs. We don't have the information that you guys have. That's why they requested.
03:36:56 Speaker 8
Briefing and will Miller is like, yeah, because they want to keep them, you know, give them the option of plausible denial. Not the option they want to give them plausible deniability if they're ever asked about the topic.
03:37:06 Speaker 8
I don't know if Biden has been read into crash retrievals. I don't know, I know, Trump said he was given a briefing. I don't know if Trump was giving the briefing so plausible, deniability for for Biden. This way he can answer a question. Ohh. Ask ask Obama. I mean, he didn't deny it. He just said ask Obama. So yeah.
03:37:25 Speaker 1
Everyone says ask somebody else. Someone asked if their defense contractor do you have like alien bodies and they were like, ask the feds.
03:37:31 Speaker 8
Ask no ask arrow, they said. Ask arrow. I think it was locking. It's like, yeah, Kirkpatrick knows that information. I'll get back.
03:37:37 Speaker 8
To you.
03:37:39 Speaker 1
Yeah, as if.
03:37:42 Speaker 1
I'm going to bring in some other folks who were patient potato of reason. You've been waiting a real long while. I'm gonna add you as a speaker and if you have a a point you'd like to make or just something to bring into the conversation or perspective from when Danny was on or what you were gonna ask and whether that got addressed in any way, feel free to just pipe in. How's it going?
03:38:02 Speaker 1
And you, you don't have to say anything. Now again, maybe that was a legacy status. Again. Please do take yourself out of requested status.
03:38:10 Speaker 1
I see some folks with they're waving at me. I'm going to acknowledge that a little bit.
03:38:16 Speaker 1
Another person who was very patient waiting for Danny, and I'm sorry we weren't able to get to you.
03:38:22 Speaker 1
Dog B. Hathor. Truth. Did you have something you wanted to?
03:38:27 Speaker 24
Say, hey, guys. Yeah, I've just. I've always been quite interested in the in the phenomena, in the UFO phenomena. And and I wanted to share a an experience that I had because I just.
03:38:38 Speaker 24
I'd just love to hear people's thoughts on it because I just think the consciousness side of of it all is is, you know, the high strangeness side of it is, is, is fascinating. And and I've had a very strange experience about a year ago, and I was just wondering if I could spend a minute to to tell everyone about it. And just to hear what people think it may be.
03:38:59 Speaker 1
Yeah. Listen, man. I've had many strange experiences myself. Just in a strange lifetime with Nick Gold. So.
03:39:05 Speaker 1
Hit us with it if you think that this is the right context to share that, you know, maybe we can get it in. I don't know. Yeah. Who will want respond to it? I'm.
03:39:12 Speaker 12
Sure, I'll have a thought.
03:39:13 Speaker 1
But please do.
03:39:13 Speaker 24
All right. Well basically what happened was I was going to sleep and my fiance was. She was laying next to me in bed reading a book and as I.
03:39:24 Speaker 24
Was kind of.
03:39:25 Speaker 24
You know, I as I was kind of falling to sleep. I was in a lucid, you know, half awake, half, half asleep kind of.
03:39:31 Speaker 24
Right. And I and I felt that sensation as I was putting my head to the pillow, that sensation of falling with my eyes closed kind of kept going in my mind's eye.
03:39:41 Speaker 24
And and as I kind of.
03:39:44 Speaker 24
Had that feeling of falling further down in my mind's eye, I I I started to see a little green figure of light way in the.
03:39:53 Speaker 24
And and and I felt the sensation of falling kind of continue. But I was I was still awake, but I was. I was like, you know, in a waking, waking sleep. And as I was having this experience, I was I was actually talking with my fiancee. She was laying next to me and I was saying and this is so weird. I'm I'm I'm having this experience like I'm falling forward and I can see this little figure of light.
03:40:14 Speaker 24
And and the figure of light. It was green light, I remember. And the figure was was speaking behind the.
03:40:20 Speaker 24
Idiom and the podium had a very like specific shape to it, but I couldn't make out the details of the figure.
03:40:26 Speaker 24
Or the podium.
03:40:27 Speaker 24
And as I was describing it to my fiance was saying so strange. I'm kind of floating it kind of above the figure in front of it. It may be a politician giving a speech. I'm not sure, but it was just so vivid it was. It was just.
03:40:41 Speaker 24
Such a vivid kind of experience.
03:40:43 Speaker 24
And and it was so vivid. I I told other friends of ours the next day that we're just kind of.
03:40:48 Speaker 24
Coming over for drinks.
03:40:49 Speaker 24
At our place and then didn't think much of it anyway, about two weeks later I get a couple of missed calls from my mum on a Sunday afternoon, and so I call her back and she tells me, oh, look, you're my grandmother.
03:41:03 Speaker 24
She she just all of a sudden fell ill and they took her to the hospital. So I we raced over with my fiance and and you know my grandma was 96 and very, you know, like very independent and healthy. But just basically she got a pneumonia.
03:41:18 Speaker 24
And I got to spend about a few minutes with her and and then my mum said, OK, well, I think it's OK now. Maybe come back tomorrow. So my fiance.
03:41:28 Speaker 24
And I have go, go, go to have.
03:41:30 Speaker 24
Dinner and while we're.
03:41:31 Speaker 24
Away just down the road from the hospital, I get a missed call from the hospital and and my grandma passed away right in that moment.
03:41:38 Speaker 24
And and so I I came back to the hospital and when I saw my mum, I mean she was, you know, she was.
03:41:43 Speaker 24
Beside herself and, you know, just yeah, in in shock and and. And so I just, I just I saw it at this moment.
03:41:51 Speaker 24
Of of just.
03:41:53 Speaker 24
You know, just an opportunity to be there for her and and so I said, OK, look, I've got the I'll organise the funeral. Don't worry, I got it all and. And so over the next few days, my grandma was a pretty, like religious.
03:42:05 Speaker 24
Catholic, Polish Catholic Lane and.
03:42:10 Speaker 24
And so like I I organise like a Polish priest and A and a Polish funeral director and all this sort of try.
03:42:15 Speaker 24
And make it.
03:42:15 Speaker 24
As traditional as possible.
03:42:18 Speaker 24
And and then few days later it comes to the to the point of the of the, the funeral and the priest does his does his.
03:42:27 Speaker 24
At the start.
03:42:28 Speaker 24
And then he goes to the part where he goes. And now the grandson is is gonna say, say the eulogy.
03:42:33 Speaker 24
And I told my mum. Don't worry, I'll. I'll. I'll say the eulogy. Like, you know, don't worry.
03:42:37 Speaker 24
About it. And so I go up and I look at where I'm about to say the eulogy and I look up the podium and I just, I just have this like, like remembering in my mind like because and I just connected, I was like, holy ****, that's that's the that's the podium that I saw just two weeks earlier in this dream thing.
03:42:57 Speaker 24
So anyway, I I walk up and and I kind of look in the in the direction of where you know.
03:43:03 Speaker 24
I would have had this floating vision, whatever it was.
03:43:06 Speaker 24
And then I start saying the the eulogy.
03:43:11 Speaker 24
About a couple of weeks after that, the the funeral director sends me an e-mail and this was all during COVID like it was during this time where, like you could have like only five people at a funeral kind of thing.
03:43:23 Speaker 24
And and so the funeral director said, look, if anyone in in Poland or or anywhere else want wanted.
03:43:29 Speaker 24
To see the.
03:43:30 Speaker 24
The service here's here's a there was a link to A to a there was a streaming camera streaming the the whole thing. There's a recording. I click on the link.
03:43:39 Speaker 24
And and are Fast forward to where I did the eulogy, and the and the camera is in the like the the position of the camera and its perspective was was pretty much the perspective of where I I had that dream like two or three weeks before and I just it just, I don't know it it blew. It blew my mind that experience since then I had another quite a vivid dream of seeing my grandmother.
03:44:00 Speaker 24
Then maybe like a week after that, like a very vivid, like life, like dream. And then after that it it kind of quieted it down. But it was just my high strangeness kind of experience and.
03:44:13 Speaker 24
You know, I I know this UA P thing is a is a consciousness thing as much as it is a physical craft thing. What? Whatever you guys wanna think. But yeah, I just. I just thought those kinds of experiences. I just like to hear what.
03:44:24 Speaker 24
People think that.
03:44:25 Speaker 16
That could be.
03:44:27 Speaker 1
No, thank you for sharing that with us. I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, grandmother, great grandmother.
03:44:33 Speaker 24
That was my grandmother. My mother's side. So my mom's, my mom's mom, my.
03:44:37 Speaker 1
Grandmother. Yeah. Sorry about that loss. Of course. Thank you for sharing that. It was very heartfelt and very interesting. And it's interesting you said that because.
03:44:45 Speaker 1
This theme of being visited by people who have recently passed is like popped up a lot for me recently. Not on a personal basis, but with people I know heard a very interesting story from someone I know about, something that was associated with. Unfortunately, her brother's untimely passing, and there was some very interesting things that happened in in kind of interesting moments.
03:45:05 Speaker 1
In the aftermath of that and these things happen, man, I mean, it really does happen to people. I know my view on it. I mean, my view on it is, you know everything other than the absolute is basically a software program and it's all happening at once in a state of superposition and you.
03:45:19 Speaker 1
Know it's just is what it is and.
03:45:21 Speaker 1
You know we can connect to it at times and why it happens for certain people at certain.
03:45:24 Speaker 1
Times, whatever is maybe.
03:45:26 Speaker 1
A little bit out of our.
03:45:27 Speaker 1
Current frame of.
03:45:27 Speaker 1
Reference usually, but these things happen and the part of our experience and you know I'm a non dualist. So these perspectives are just sort of like inherent to my worldview and have been for a really, really long time kind of I seem to have come out this way.
03:45:41 Speaker 1
But I've always, you know, in in ancient like Hinduism and say they would you know they have this.
03:45:46 Speaker 1
Concept of Maya.
03:45:47 Speaker 1
Or the kind of illusion of relative reality. And of course, it's not like the fundamental reality. The fundamental reality is either Brahman or Shiva. Yeah, it really goes across many belief systems. Frankly, it goes well beyond Hinduism, this notion that.
03:46:00 Speaker 1
The mental thing is.
03:46:01 Speaker 1
Sort of the IT.
03:46:02 Speaker 1
Kind of is consciousness like it's why God told Moses I am is its nature, right?
03:46:11 Speaker 1
Tell the Israelites I am sent you. Like to me I am is kind of like this positing of like you know the the unified subject object. It's kind of like what we call the semantic triple and linked and semantic linked data systems and like.
03:46:27 Speaker 1
The Observer is the.
03:46:28 Speaker 1
Observed and it only observes itself.
03:46:30 Speaker 1
That creates this interesting kind of thing that maybe computes reality or something. I've been just fascinated with me by like this since I was a strange elementary school in the 80s.
03:46:39 Speaker 1
Elementary school or?
03:46:40 Speaker 1
So you know, I just kind of inherently saw like reality is the the phrase that popped into my head is.
03:46:46 Speaker 1
An elementary schooler for.
03:46:47 Speaker 1
Some weird reason one day was like this is all one unfolding equation that was just how I kind of conceptualized it and it was kind of prominent because I don't have much of an internal monologue. Usually I didn't realize that was a thing actually, until like seven or eight years ago.
03:47:02 Speaker 1
Maybe. And then I learned about the internal monologue that.
03:47:03 Speaker 1
Most people have and.
03:47:04 Speaker 1
I was like, wait, you thinking words? What the **** is that all about? Like, I can conjure that. But so you know, anyway.
03:47:12 Speaker 1
Like I think and you know, I got into cyberpunk science fiction at a pretty young age too, when in the early 90s. And I always saw sort of like cyberspace as this conceptual conceptualization of the astral realm, because I was also, like, reading weird books by, like Robert Monroe or the people associated with the Monroe.
03:47:28 Speaker 24
Institute. It's funny you say that because about a month before it happened.
03:47:33 Speaker 24
I started listening to the Moon rotates the Hemi sync, and I don't think it is. And and to be honest, I before I I kind of discovered the Hemi sync process.
03:47:37 Speaker 1
It's probably not a coincidence.
03:47:46 Speaker 24
About two years before, I had my first psychedelic experience with DMT and then and then I proceeded to do maybe 30 to 40 ayahuasca ceremonies and and a few of them were actually with with Dennis McKenna and Terence Mckenna's brother. And yeah, like, I mean to meet him and and and know that I was in a.
03:48:01 Speaker 1
Oh, that's a riot.
03:48:05 Speaker 24
Space with, you know, Shaman Shaman that I could trust that would guide the experience was.
03:48:10 Speaker 24
Pretty special, but you know, like I.
03:48:15 Speaker 24
Leading up to that experience, maybe the two years before, I had a friend who he opened up the float tank, you know, sensory deprivation, float tank business here in, in, in, in Australia. That was one of the.
03:48:26 Speaker 24
Early ones. And so he would, he would let me just go in and float almost every day and I didn't know anything about anything or anything like that, but I just had this.
03:48:34 Speaker 24
Going in for hours at a time in the float tank and I would have these these waterproof earphones playing different binaural beats and then and then.
03:48:45 Speaker 24
I would I.
03:48:45 Speaker 24
Would I would listen to these beats and then I would do like breath work essentially, or wimp different Wim Hoff methods.
03:48:51 Speaker 24
And and it was all I was. I was trying to see if I could basically induce a a natural DMT experience through through sound and through breathing and.
03:49:02 Speaker 24
You know, I was doing it for about 6 months and I and I, I I definitely did have in in that float tank. I I did have very, very, very vivid experiences that that.
03:49:11 Speaker 24
That were very similar to to that sleeping experience where.
03:49:14 Speaker 24
Where where I saw my grandmother.
03:49:14 Speaker 1
It's it's all cyberspace, right, if you.
03:49:17 Speaker 1
Haven't read Bob.
03:49:17 Speaker 24
I think so.
03:49:18 Speaker 1
I think read if you haven't read Bob Munro's books, I would really just start with his original book.
03:49:23 Speaker 24
Yeah. Is it like journeys outside of the?
03:49:24 Speaker 1
Body something like journeys out of the body is this first one of the kind of the trilogy and I really recommend reading it because it takes people through kind of Monroe's own experience of experimenting with binaural beats. He was like an executive in, I think, the early cable industry. Actually he was a.
03:49:40 Speaker 1
Television guy and.
03:49:42 Speaker 1
You know, he and a few others like TomTom Kimball. I think it is who wrote my big toe. He was one of the kind of originals of the Monroe Institute as well. And they kind of developed the Hemi sync binaural beat approach to triggering these fairly radical and fairly replica kind of out of body astral projection type experiences and.
03:50:01 Speaker 1
Many people know the Intel community is kind of known of the Monroe Institute and kind of had some relations. I think is the best way of putting it to.
03:50:09 Speaker 1
You know, it's. I don't see Monroe as like a CIA program or anything. It's it's like, very chill. I went for the Gateway program a number of years ago, and it was like I had known about it since I was a teenager. And it was like going there. It was the best version of it that I could have probably had. I had a really good time. You know, I didn't. I'm not really prone to as many of these types of experiences.
03:50:27 Speaker 1
I've had some. I've had a lot of lucid dreams, including as a child, when I had a lot of lucid dreams, and that was a weird thing and kind of made me wonder about, like, what is this consciousness thing? That was another thing I was really strangely aware of, I guess as a little kid I was like.
03:50:40 Speaker 1
Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that we're consciousness like like I didn't? Maybe even have the word consciousness at the time. But I was like, it was very obvious that I was this thing riding around in this body. And everyone kept acting like they were their bodies. And I was like, very, I thought, like, whatever you think about afterlife or whatever I was like, just onto logically, we're clearly not that thing, you know, this is kind of, again, at the heart of a lot of kind of.
03:51:02 Speaker 1
You know whether it's Hindu or other, you know, processes when you're meditating or whatever, it's getting to the root of like, what is the thing that is you? What is it? What's asking that question? What do all the perceptions pipe into? It's like it's almost like this actual existing first perseverance itself to me is sort of the definition of consciousness. And again.
03:51:22 Speaker 1
If you think that that's fundamental and it essentially has this kind of weird, you know, Shiva shocky way of generating reality through, you know, probably algorithmic processes.
03:51:31 Speaker 1
That are actually kind of built out of this consciousness thing itself, perceiving itself and then almost creating like interference patterns of consciousness. I suppose, you know, you start to think of this realm a little bit more. I I don't want to say digitally, but it's more like the digital is just another layer of that onion. And you know, maybe, you know, I think energy and information are more fundamental if you want to look at it this way.
03:51:53 Speaker 1
And then energy and matter I see matter is like probably being a type of information that this perceiver perceives in a certain way that we call physical matter, but.
03:52:04 Speaker 1
You know, there seems to be a lot more there. You've touched some of it. It sounds like, you know, the practices will bring the stuff out. People like, if you do practices be ready, you know, it's not for everybody. It's not for everyone where they are at their unique kind of place as a, as a person, psychologically, emotionally. There's a reason why these were like mystery traditions.
03:52:24 Speaker 1
Thousands of years and not everyone was brought into the fold because frankly, it's not for everybody. Also, the ways that people used to be initiated into these practices were very deliberate on out. There's the the role of the guru and other people who are really guiding you through the process in a very active.
03:52:39 Speaker 1
Right. I really recommend people read Paramahansa Yogananda's autobiography of A of a Yogi things a ghost just.
03:52:45 Speaker 24
Ohh man, I'm just reading that now. Such a great book man such I mean.
03:52:48 Speaker 1
Man, yeah, there's a reason. There's a reason it was Steve Jobs's.
03:52:51 Speaker 1
Favorite book, right?
03:52:52 Speaker 1
You know the one that they gave?
03:52:54 Speaker 1
Out of his.
03:52:54 Speaker 1
His ceremony, the real life Jedis. They're real.
03:52:57 Speaker 24
Life, you know, I.
03:52:58 Speaker 24
Think Star Wars is probably the perfect analogy to this whole thing. This idea of the force, and you can either use the force in a light side or a dark side.
03:53:07 Speaker 24
It it doesn't really matter in terms of, it just matters how unified you are.
03:53:11 Speaker 24
In what the direction?
03:53:11 Speaker 1
Well, the thing that you need to be aware of, I I just want to say this because like people like, Oh my God, the man is controlling us through media and they're giving this panda and they're, you know, it's whatever these new age, kind of ideas. And there's some horrible nefarious thing behind it. It's like, no, like a lot of people in the media are.
03:53:12 Speaker 24
You want to go, you know?
03:53:27 Speaker 1
Just kind of into.
03:53:28 Speaker 1
This way of thinking frankly, like.
03:53:31 Speaker 1
I learned about this at one point, you know Jim Henson? For someone of my generation, you know, a little kid in the 80s and a big kid in the 90s. I was very influenced by his work by.
03:53:39 Speaker 1
The labyrinth and you know other other really pivotal movies of the dark crystal. Crazy, metaphysical, bat**** ship for kids. That was really weird and kind of uncomfortable. But like, put you in that almost initiatory state and you were watching it as.
03:53:54 Speaker 24
A little kid, most definitely. I think there's there's a crazy amount of synchrony mysticism.
03:53:59 Speaker 24
And that comes to films, I think. I think it's because there's such a a massive and creative energy, different consciousnesses, that need to come together to to focus on one message.
03:54:06 Speaker 1
I just saw.
03:54:09 Speaker 1
Absolutely and I.
03:54:10 Speaker 13
OK.
03:54:10 Speaker 1
Just I went to a I just wanna say Maryland exhibit here in Baltimore on Jim Henson and he had a Maryland connection. He was from here and went to school in Maryland.
03:54:17 Speaker 1
And you know, they had stuff from all of this stuff. And I was like, I can't believe I'm seeing, like, the outfits from the ballroom scene in the, you know, the labyrinth. Holy ****. Like, what the **** cool ****, like, again. Stuff that really influenced me. And, you know, even my thinking as a kid and people don't realize this Jim Henson would give out like the Jane Roberts books to people because he was into that.
03:54:38 Speaker 1
Like, it's not a coincidence and it's not this government conspiracy like people are like, kind of like open minded people who kind of more mystical views of things and they work it into their creative output at points.
03:54:48 Speaker 1
You know, you know. And Spielberg, I think he was just into UFOs and aliens. And so he tells stories about them. And he actually talked to the people who knew what the **** they kind of were talking about. And yes, it informed the movies. So anyway, just thank you so much for sharing. I wanna bring some other people up.
03:55:04 Speaker 8
Quick, quick, real quick, basically just to read reiterate, reiterate what you said, the three books journeys out of the body, far journeys Ultimate Journey must read if you're interested in consciousness at all. Whitley Strieber's first three books must.
03:55:18 Speaker 8
I've had the similar death experience dreams. Next day, the person's dead. It happened twice to me. Happened wanted my ex-wife, but it was immediate. His story is a little different. Where he had the dream. And then it happened. A week or so later, there's a book called Phantasms of The Living. I think it was written late 1800s or early 1900s. Just case after case, with multiple witnesses where they saw this person.
03:55:38 Speaker 8
In their house, so like what the heck? And it was a full bodied apparition, and it turned out it was right before or right at the moment of death, almost as if there's some psychic energy that a person puts out right as they're dying. And it was. There are some really good cases like that. What?
03:55:52 Speaker 8
Exact means I don't know. I don't.
03:55:53 Speaker 8
Know, but it's definitely happened to other people. He's.
03:55:56 Speaker 8
Alone, it's pretty and like, like you said, and what I said journeys out of the body, especially far journeys dimension, the whole chapter on louche, that one always stuck with me. I don't know if you remember that one.
03:56:07 Speaker 8
Nick. But it's interesting. I know all about the loose. Yeah.
03:56:11 Speaker 1
I'm the loose. I'm the loose ************* master man.
03:56:14 Speaker 8
Anyway, thanks for doing this. I got it.
03:56:15 Speaker 1
I don't think people realize my my take on lush is lush is novelty, lush isn't. And like the thing you want to mine is novelty. When when you're at a certain point, if you want to generate novelty, that's the that's the name of.
03:56:26 Speaker 24
The game, so is it? Is it our attention? Is it? Is it that consciousness is the is the focus of everything? If if consciousness is at the center of it?
03:56:29 Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly.
03:56:34 Speaker 24
We think it's our attention where we put our you know where where attention goes energy flows and you know if if we're if our human nature is the very fact that we can just be programmed, we're not evil, we're not good. It's just we can be programmed where, where where depends on our environment and you know it's just knowing that if you can.
03:56:56 Speaker 24
Be aware of where your attention is. You can take your own power.
03:56:59 Speaker 1
Back. Well, because the attention is the programmer at the.
03:57:03 Speaker 1
End of the day is the.
03:57:03 Speaker 1
Way I look at it like because the attention.
03:57:05 Speaker 1
The thing that attends, that's what.
03:57:08 Speaker 1
The fundamental reality is if you're a non dualist.
03:57:10 Speaker 1
So like it is the programmer and like everything around you is the program that's sort of a matter of your own programming. And like the thing that you know, I think a lot of people wouldn't necessarily get about the non dualist view. Is that fundamentally really just thinking that there's only one thing behind those points of view? It's only one thing that's having all of those points of view.
03:57:31 Speaker 1
Like, there's just the point of view itself. It's like this field that.
03:57:34 Speaker 1
Yes. And so you know, it's like there's a lot of these symbols in ancient traditions of like snakes, of course, and that's multi headed snakes. The way I interpret that, it's like it's just layers and streams of consciousness. And, you know, snakes obviously shed their skin. So it's this, like multi layered onion type thing and.
03:57:54 Speaker 1
You know, it's also all of these different streams, but at the end they kind of connect up to the same fundamental field. That's really having all those those frames of.
03:58:00 Speaker 24
Reference and it feels right. Girls up. It spirals up into higher vibrations from the base up into the.
03:58:01 Speaker 19
And that's far.
03:58:07 Speaker 1
Well, you know, we've we've taken this conversation probably far field enough of you AP at this point I want to get to a few of the other speakers. Thank you so much man for speaking and sharing.
03:58:08 Speaker 24
Next spirals up.
03:58:15 Speaker 1
Your story with us.
03:58:16 Speaker 1
It's it. It is an interesting connection because, like, one would imagine, the UAP people, if there's any truth to this kind of ****, like would probably be in on it and would probably take advantage of it.
03:58:17 Speaker 24
Thanks. Thank you.
03:58:27 Speaker 1
It would be maybe.
03:58:28 Speaker 1
What technology was based on, etc.
03:58:31 Speaker 1
You know, we talked about 0 point energy and you know it's funny cuz we throw these little abbreviations on things and it's like, what are we really talking about? We're really talking about the fundamental energy of reality that itself gives birth to what we think of as the universe. Like, you know, this vacuum that we call it again, another little convenient label we can throw on something that we really.
03:58:50 Speaker 1
Just don't fundamentally understand. We know it has like limitless energy. It can do all this crazy ****. It can manifest in all of these ways and create all of these quantum fields and everything but.
03:58:59 Speaker 1
You know, we don't like to talk about that fundamental thing as much. I'm gonna bring in John next, and then we're gonna have potatoes speak after that. John, why don't you jump in? Man, you've been very.
03:59:08 Speaker 2
Patient, I appreciate it. Wow.
03:59:10 Speaker 21
Talk about down the rabbit hole. I was like, full on holding my Danny. She hands stuff in my brain and then all of a sudden, we, like, splurged off into that. And I've had experiences.
03:59:20 Speaker 21
Exactly what you got to it. So I was like, oh, all of a sudden I start having like.
03:59:22 Speaker 21
A little panic attack, like, oh, I don't.
03:59:24 Speaker 21
Wanna be thinking about that?
03:59:25 Speaker 7
I gotta like.
03:59:25 Speaker 21
So I wanna. I wanna do a 180.
03:59:29 Speaker 1
Do it. Go for it, man. Bring us back down.
03:59:30 Speaker 10
Right back.
03:59:31 Speaker 1
To you, at least, the mundanity of UFO reality.
03:59:34 Speaker 21
Yeah, let's go back to nuts and.
03:59:35 Speaker 21
Bolts just for.
03:59:36 Speaker 21
Few minutes. But Speaking of nuts and bolts, let.
03:59:39 Speaker 21
Me give you.
03:59:39 Speaker 21
A I've I've.
03:59:40 Speaker 21
Been in Radio 30 years.
03:59:42 Speaker 21
So let me give you a little bit of hosting advice especially.
03:59:44 Speaker 21
Places I've been in a.
03:59:45 Speaker 21
Million of them always have.
03:59:48 Speaker 21
Co host because then you as the host, can focus on the guests who's talking whatever, and they can be vetting people coming in, seeing if anyone cool comes in and trying to invite them up. Having people have have someone whose job is to kind.
04:00:00 Speaker 21
Ohh, someone's talking too long. Maybe mute them and come in and say hey, can we keep it on topic or you know and so you have a little more control over the space, a little more. You know, you could just do a lot more. So if you just plan a little advanced, have a couple people you trust to be your Co hosts and everyone has kind of a specific job and you lay that out in the space, you could really dive deep without taking too many.
04:00:21 Speaker 1
No, I appreciate that the the I totally get that. The question is what do you do when the gas is the one that you know tends to be the one that?
04:00:27 Speaker 1
Needs to be muted sometimes.
04:00:29 Speaker 21
Well, you know you got that's that as a host is.
04:00:32 Speaker 21
Your prerogative. You decide how you deal with the person, but when this was one of the biggest, craziest, wildest spaces in a long time, I mean, everyone was in here dude. So I mean to be able to have someone who could communicate with dole and other people and send them requests.
04:00:46 Speaker 21
So maybe they'd.
04:00:46 Speaker 21
Wanna pop up or and have a place where you can kind of vet what people are gonna say before you actually.
04:00:52 Speaker 21
Put them on there, but then you can also have a lot more people who are speakers when you have Co hosts, you can have more speakers, so after that she hands leaves. You can have more of a panel.
04:01:01 Speaker 21
Discussion and and and so you know it's it it it helps you, the host focus more on the content and you have people who are helping you wrangle the chaotic nature of what I look at it like it's like a radio call in show you gotta have a call Screener you gotta have someone communicating directly with you taking feeling the questions and that way you can really just kick asss and same thing for you Joe.
04:01:22 Speaker 21
Listen to a lot of your spaces and you know you have a different little system. You just invite one person up at a time. They ask a question, you drop them down. But if you have a couple of people in your in your you know background there helping you out. It's just in general, we'll make the space flow and it's better.
04:01:37 Speaker 1
Hey, listen, I appreciate the feedback very much and you know, first of all, this thing with Danny came together fairly last moment. Just I really appreciate Joe being willing to Co host it all.
04:01:48 Speaker 1
I appreciate what you're saying. You know, part of me is a little anarchistic and I just want to kind of throw it to the crowd in some ways, at certain points and just be like, yo hit them, you know, like, I don't know, like, you know, you can't purely pick people based off of just the order, especially when it doesn't give you a very sensible way as you're right. Like you need no takers or keeping track of this stuff. Potentially and.
04:02:08 Speaker 1
I very much will bear that in mind, probably not for the one with Garrett, which I hope everyone joins Garrett Graff.
04:02:15 Speaker 1
You know, not necessarily everybody's hero in UFO world right now, but I've really. I've liked this book so far, and we're gonna be speaking on Thursday at 8:30 PM Eastern. I hope everyone can join us.
04:02:23 Speaker 21
Or on things, have a co-host or someone to just help you. That's all. So let me let me ask my I want to post my question.
04:02:29 Speaker 21
That I was.
04:02:30 Speaker 21
So desperately wanting to ask Danny, but I'm gonna pose it to you. Joe and Matthew up there and anyone else, of course. But so OK, I'm gonna pick in the future. I'm gonna be positive for a second and let's just say that the Schumer amendment fully passes.
04:02:42 Speaker 21
Intact and we all get we we it happens and we're all lucky and they're gonna. They're gonna put this pan.
04:02:48 Speaker 21
All together, but when I think about this panel, I think this panel of people has a lot of power and there's gonna be a lot of people jockeying for positions on this panel. And what is this panel exactly doing? It's kind of laid out, but, but, you know, one of my questions is like, you know, now they're kind of the tip of the spear. So they personally are going to be getting a lot of.
04:03:06 Speaker 21
Pushback from the IC.
04:03:08 Speaker 21
Community coming after.
04:03:09 Speaker 21
Them because they are now the ones who are like right there, coming after them, making the decisions to like covers off of the secret ****. And we know obviously what they have been willing to do to keep the secret. So how do we is there provisions and how do we keep them safe and and but also in a situation where the the position itself.
04:03:30 Speaker 21
Isn't like, you know, like a lifetime thing like the Supreme Court, where it's you're in there for life or or it's too it becomes a political position where every president puts in his whole new.
04:03:43 Speaker 21
Group that ***** everything up.
04:03:44 Speaker 1
Sure, sure, sure.
04:03:46 Speaker 1
No, I think those are really important questions like, you know, one thing I think about is like again you have to have many vectors of kind of how you feel you're.
04:03:53 Speaker 1
Affecting this issue if.
04:03:54 Speaker 1
What you you know, we have to ask what we wanna get to really. What's the thing most people wanna get to? To me, it's very clear. It's a fundamental acknowledgment by the US government of what their best estimate based on.
04:04:06 Speaker 1
All available information these ******* UAP are all about. Period.
04:04:11 Speaker 1
Like you could probably say it in a few sentences like, that's the main thing I want to get is an acknowledgement of whatever they deem that reality be for real, for real based on what they really know. I want specifics. I think that becomes very necessary. But as I was saying earlier, the the moment.
04:04:31 Speaker 1
You've crossed the threshold of acknowledging the most basic engagement point around the.
04:04:37 Speaker 1
The floodgates are open because suddenly, people, what the **** like aliens are real and they're here. What? What? Like we want to know this. We want to know that, you know.
04:04:47 Speaker 21
That's the real reason they haven't. It's never been protected country. Keep the money of the technology. That's all part of it. But to me it's it's always been once you make that acknowledgement, that's when the the ******* questions start and it just never stops. Because every answer leads to 100 more questions and and none of those questions.
04:05:07 Speaker 21
They want in the.
04:05:07 Speaker 1
Light of day. It's. I don't even think it's the questions. I don't even think it's just the questions. I think it's that number one.
04:05:09 Speaker 18
Hey Cortana.
04:05:14 Speaker 1
I do wonder if certain people think the phenomenon might change in some way when you've acknowledged it publicly. Do they know for sure that that isn't some signal that some, like prime ******* directive, has suddenly been?
04:05:27 Speaker 21
That implied that they've implied that they've implied.
04:05:29 Speaker 21
Well, how will they?
04:05:30 Speaker 8
React well, Lou has said that he.
04:05:32 Speaker 8
Said there are people who want to keep the secret.
04:05:34 Speaker 8
This excuse for not letting out this information, as they're afraid that once they know that we know in mess on mass that they're here, that they're going to possibly speed up their timeline. He's like, I don't agree with that. But there are people in the inside who believe that and that's their national security trying to protect us.
04:05:54 Speaker 1
Yeah. You know, again, I just, I'm I'm a very basic biatch in some ways, like, I'm pretty stupid, I think. And. And so like, I really just look at.
04:06:02 Speaker 1
The most basic.
04:06:03 Speaker 1
Aspects of things usually, and it tends to be terribly annoying to people and people want to go down a lot of rabbit holes, but.
04:06:09 Speaker 1
I'm always about bringing.
04:06:10 Speaker 1
It back to the basics cuz maybe I.
04:06:12 Speaker 1
Just don't even fully understand them.
04:06:14 Speaker 21
Can ask like I I posed a question to you guys and we didn't answer it, so I want to get your thoughts on that. But about the panel.
04:06:22 Speaker 1
Well, so you know the.
04:06:23 Speaker 1
Thing about the panel is is.
04:06:24 Speaker 1
That, like first of all, there are some requirements around it that are framed out in the law, and I recommend everyone read it if they haven't it it it. It talks about conflicts of interest, it represents the different areas that they come from. I mean, the oversight. Listen, people have to be really real about it. The oversight of the UAP PDA.
04:06:42 Speaker 1
It's not suddenly, instantly totally democratized. Access to information on UAP in any way, shape or form. The president has absolute carte blanche over everything. Again, as I'll remind, like they do today, essentially. And so.
04:06:57 Speaker 1
You know, I I.
04:06:58 Speaker 1
Think we have to.
04:06:59 Speaker 1
Have these multiple vectors. I was starting to get into before we went off a little bit like, you know, the public can listen. What I'm up to is trying to, you know, rally people to be louder, more cohesive, more organized. Like I went through the halls of Congress, you know, on Thursday last week, I went into a bunch of offices randomly. You know, you knock on the door, you walk. Right.
04:07:17 Speaker 1
And anyone has access to it. It's easy to get into the building.
04:07:20 Speaker 1
This like it was kind of a good I hope this doesn't set off any keyword detectors. It was a good dry run. Actually doing a hill Day, Hill day, guys. Whoever's listening to this.
04:07:30 Speaker 21
Call right now, dude, it was awesome. It was awesome. And that you were so close to their little impromptu press meeting, but you were there. It was amazing.
04:07:38 Speaker 1
That could be 300.
04:07:39 Speaker 21
I mean, it was amazing that you were there.
04:07:42 Speaker 21
And you, you know, I I'm all.
04:07:44 Speaker 21
For you're kicking *****? No, but that's like it's.
04:07:46 Speaker 1
Not about me like.
04:07:47 Speaker 1
That should be 300 people filling the hallway and several representatives of the crowd go.
04:07:53 Speaker 1
Into the office.
04:07:55 Speaker 1
And they say, hey, I'm a constituent, I'm a constituent. I'm nick. A few other people like we are really ready for you guys to give us more information. We're going around the hill today. We've got a crowd of three people. We're completely following all regulations. You can totally do this. The the thing about it is you can't, like, create a protest environment by sitting down.
04:08:16 Speaker 1
They don't want you to sit down in the halls, but if you're behaving yourself and according yourself to whatever guidance they're giving you about, you know, huggables whatever, do what you can to allow business.
04:08:24 Speaker 1
To occur. This happened on July 26th. There were hundreds of them who went into the Rayburn building. That's not a normal occurrence in the Rayburn building when hundreds of people are lined up around hallways to get into this hearing, and they had overflow rooms. But only I think it was like 15 to 20 of us, maybe from the public made it in, you know, Danny and and Steve Bassett were right in front of me in the room there.
04:08:45 Speaker 1
And like there's nothing stopping any of us from like doing that, having a hill day as they call it, getting quasi organized, maybe trying to plan some meetings out in advance, but it makes a much louder noise literally and it's it's it's seen I think like much more clearly by.
04:09:02 Speaker 1
These power centers that we're trying to influence, if if we keep showing up louder and louder and making it, I mean it was a little uncomfortable for them to have one guy pop in out of the blue. They all have signs that are like please come in any one of us can get to within feet of like the key staff of any one of our elected officials we should be thankful by the way is.
04:09:20 Speaker 1
****** ** as our system can often be.
04:09:22
Be at least.
04:09:23 Speaker 1
Thankful we have that as as American citizens and we can use that. So I think regardless of the UA PDA to pressure the public and actually making things as uncomfortable, this does not require a majority of Americans.
04:09:37 Speaker 1
You can do this with relatively small well organized groups. This gets done for all sorts of issues all the time. Like **** that most Americans don't give a **** about, and small groups have organized. People absolutely turn it.
04:09:50 Speaker 1
Into big issues and become issues.
04:09:51 Speaker 1
For that, so we can do that and we we need to keep that.
04:09:52 Speaker 10
No, it's.
04:09:54 Speaker 21
Pressure going? Yeah, we're going into the election.
04:09:56 Speaker 21
Here, Nick, I mean this is it like, well, this is the time it's it's it's happening right now. This is the first time ever that this topic is going to be.
04:10:06 Speaker 21
A factor in a.
04:10:07 Speaker 1
Presidential election. Well, I'm gonna.
04:10:09 Speaker 1
I'll I would back that off.
04:10:10 Speaker 1
A little bit, I mean.
04:10:11 Speaker 21
When do you think Biden, who absolutely knows? I remember what you were talking about earlier. Like, does he know? Does he not know? He has been around longer than most of us have been alive in Washington? He knows. So do you think he is going to if he knows this is coming out? If it's this catastrophic disclosure is coming out. You think he wants to risk leaving that up to Trump?
04:10:20 Speaker 1
Oh yeah, he knows all about this ****.
04:10:32 Speaker 25
I don't know.
04:10:33 Speaker 1
You have to remember, though, the catastrophic disclosure as defined by Karl Nel was really referring to foreign adversaries more than leaks.
04:10:41 Speaker 1
And you know, I think a lot of us kind of like turned it into, like, a superhero thing where catastrophic disclosure was like, ohh yeah, these rebels are gonna come out and share it with the world. And it's gonna change everything. And like, sorry powers that be like, that's not what they're talking about. Like the people talking about catastrophic disclosure at the.
04:11:00 Speaker 1
End of the day.
04:11:01 Speaker 1
Or the insiders who are concerned about maintaining the credence of these systems that they've spent their careers in, and they are genuinely worried that someone I think like China or Russia would ever would maybe make a leap, or at least even speak to this topic publicly in a way that wasn't the US controlling the scenario.
04:11:17 Speaker 1
So, you know, I don't think catastrophic disclosure is something that they know to be this thing that's coming, because these insiders are about to do it. I I really think they're looking more when they talk about it, but we have to keep the pressure applied and we have to use more vehicles than just the purely governmental. You know, it's tough because science research, which could be a vector in kind of exposing this in a broader.
04:11:38 Speaker 1
Way this kind of nascent science research has to be funded by the feds in a large way to be meaningful, unless unless we can all do better at convincing some ultra rich guy to suddenly be interested in the AP issue to the issue of like to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars of research dollars like SETI just got from a private.
04:11:54 Speaker 1
Person and you know, let's be blunt. The SETI people have been very kind.
04:11:58 Speaker 1
Of anti UAP.
04:11:59 Speaker 21
For a while, that sucked. And I.
04:12:00 Speaker 21
Was ****** about that.
04:12:01 Speaker 1
I think it's mostly because they're worried about the money. I mean, listen, follow the money. You make money. People owe it. You know, people will get into UAP in science if there's money to study it, they'll instantly. I'll be interested in studying.
04:12:13 Speaker 1
Uap if.
04:12:13 Speaker 21
To me, that's what.
04:12:14 Speaker 21
The whole Soul conference was about everyone's positioning themselves at the trough because they they all know what is leaking out to us that whatever, for whatever reason I we all seem to think they're gonna tell us there's gonna be a disclosure. I I I I feel it's coming. All the signs are.
04:12:32 Speaker 21
Cleaning and and I feel like they're all lining themselves up and positioning themselves to line up with the through to be the first ones for those lucrative contracts and all that's going to get final access, which they've been wanting for so long.
04:12:44 Speaker 21
The people who haven't had access to finally be able to who, OK, at least I can like come a little bit clean. We still protect the technology we do.
04:12:50 Speaker 21
All of that, but we don't have to.
04:12:53 Speaker 21
Like spend so much effort that basic secret.
04:12:57 Speaker 1
Sure. And you know, it's funny, you know, the word far and I think is used in many ways over many years in some ways, to sort of blithely refer to the AP topic, right. It's the foreign technology group or the exploitation group, and maybe some of the AP stuff slips into that.
04:13:14 Speaker 1
Oh, I'm kind of lost track of my point. Sorry about that. I'm. I'm. I'm kind of blanking at this moment. I forgot what I was going.
04:13:21 Speaker 21
To say about that, well, I just will tell you I used your UAP declassify yap website to send messages through. And I also did the same thing on Danny.
04:13:34 Speaker 21
And say even though I do it myself through Twitter and whatever, just because I want like, and I post it, I'm trying to, you know, because it's we're still there. We're it's like we're we're at the one yard line and you know they got a big defense up. They got some big guys walking.
04:13:47 Speaker 21
But we can.
04:13:47 Speaker 21
Still squeak it past and it's like.
04:13:49 Speaker 21
You know, I mean, Nick, I know you've been in this for a ******* long time like myself, Joe. Like many of us who've been here, and many who have come and gone and we've never been this close. And it's like, you know, the we gotta keep the pressure on. And I feel like Danny, that's why he just uncorked so much here tonight. Like, I feel like this space is going to be like, reviewed.
04:14:09 Speaker 21
And clipped and talked about and.
04:14:11 Speaker 21
Tweeted. Because I mean.
04:14:12 Speaker 1
Hey God, I hope.
04:14:13 Speaker 21
Not still going on Nick, but Ohh no. There was so much that Danny draw, I mean.
04:14:18 Speaker 21
It was just crazy.
04:14:19 Speaker 1
Well, thanks, John. I appreciate it, man. I'm going to bring in some other folks. I really appreciate it. You jogged my memory of what I wanted to say, which is that.
04:14:22 Speaker 21
Alright, later man.
04:14:27 Speaker 1
You know, foreign has been used as this sort of placeholder that we wonder if sometimes that means like a little more than what the word typically implies and wonder if maybe the catastrophic disclosure they worry about is in their Russia. Right there is, there's this other party that sort of seems like it's in play maybe and it's often not granted any agency in any of our conversations around it. Strangely, even though it seems to.
04:14:48 Speaker 1
Often exhibit maximal agency, at least compared to us. I think it's it's funny and and, you know, I wanted to get into this with.
04:14:53 Speaker 1
Funny too, I wanted to talk to him about his thought on sovereignty issues, whether he thinks maybe like the national security concern, less about the technology and implementing it or whatever, cause I have real doubts about that. To be blunt, just personally, like there's some awful stuff ready to go anytime soon. But there are maybe national security concerns when you're suddenly asking questions like.
04:15:13 Speaker 1
Is there a galactic government? Because then suddenly you're like, where does Earth government fit into that? Did people buy into Earth government anymore? Do people want Earth government anymore?
04:15:23 Speaker 1
Are they ready to be?
04:15:24 Speaker 1
What the **** are the ******** doing for me? I could have some kind of like, you know, Nano compiler in my living room or whatever. Like I, you know, let's just at least try to go for that. I'm not saying that's the right way of looking at the UAP issue, but I wonder if they see that as a national security concern and people losing faith in just kind of our typical governance structures, if we even have the possibility that there's this much bigger.
04:15:45 Speaker 1
Water more sophisticated and you know more capable. You know, structure. That's like kind of been here all along. Anyway, let me bring potato in potato.
04:15:53 Speaker 8
Yeah, I gotta go. Thank you so much for doing this. We'll do it again.
04:15:56 Speaker 1
Thanks so much. Joe, you've been awesome. We'll talk soon.
04:15:58 Speaker 1
Man, OK, see ya.
04:15:59 Speaker 1
Take it easy, man. Buy potato. Reason. Why don't you jump in, man, you've been so patient this evening. Hopefully you can bring up something that that maybe had been on your mind. Sorry we weren't able to get to you, but I.
04:16:07 Speaker 1
Think we can bring Danny back at some?
04:16:09 Speaker 1
Point. He seems amenable, sure.
04:16:11 Speaker 19
Yeah, no problem, I guess. Yeah, I.
04:16:13 Speaker 15
Have a few.
04:16:14 Speaker 19
Questions that are.
04:16:15 Speaker 19
Closely related for Danny, but I think I can, you know, make them applicable.
04:16:20 Speaker 19
Here I guess first just a tiny bit about myself. I was very interested in this topic as a young boy and it frightened.
04:16:29 Speaker 19
Terribly. And then I spent the next probably two or three decades as an extreme atheist and skeptic. You might call me the Midwest of Minnesota.
04:16:41 Speaker 19
And then in.
04:16:42 Speaker 19
The past couple of years I kind of came to the realization that this phenomenon is most likely.
04:16:49 Speaker 19
So it's something real and not visionary or fictitious, and so in any case, I'm 41 and I'm sort of wondering, you know, how confident this panel is that.
04:17:01 Speaker 19
That though that will receive some sort of actual meaningful disclosure in my lifetime, whether or not the UA PDA passes unmolested, or whether or not it has sufficient teeth, and then also.
04:17:19 Speaker 19
If we do not receive any sort of meaningful.
04:17:22 Speaker 19
Later in the next few years, are there people in the community that are interested in shepherding and any sort of so call?
04:17:31 Speaker 19
Catastrophic disclosure, and if so, you know what might that actually entail? We've, you know, obviously seen the testimony by David Grush. And I think that's been a big splash, but I you know, it still doesn't seem like that is sufficient for, you know, what we're looking for, you know, will it require more?
04:17:51 Speaker 19
Call the whistle.
04:17:52 Speaker 19
Doors, you know, revelations of secrets, revelations of biologics technology, etc. And yeah, I think that's my question. Thank you. I so.
04:18:03 Speaker 1
Appreciate it, man. You know my quick answer, I think the public again needs to realize how it can completely, legally make things less and less comfortable.
04:18:12 Speaker 1
People who prevent us from getting at just the core that we're looking for at the very least, if not the gory details, just acknowledging whatever the hell is going on, officially, whatever that ends up being based on the best available knowledge.
04:18:23 Speaker 1
Public can apply all sorts of levers in making our media less comfortable, not covering this. It's all about reward systems, right? And if you really, I mean, I think people should acknowledge that Chuck Todd, even though it was on the streamed app first. I mean, they all kind of put together knowing it was just gonna be on YouTube and available to everybody. The 30 minute piece that they did that had Robert.
04:18:44 Speaker 1
How all of SCU and a number of really credible people speaking about UAP and Chuck Todd taking it really seriously, like there wasn't disparagement of UAP in that segment and you know they're putting.
04:18:55 Speaker 1
That out on their.
04:18:56 Speaker 1
Mobile stream first kind of branding thing because they know that that's where the audience.
04:19:03 Speaker 1
It's, you know, it's not that that's the loser medium necessarily anymore. It's like they know that certain streaming videos get way more hits in a 24 hour period than an episode of the Evening News. And so I think we should embrace the media and reward them when they do a serious piece by watching it, you know, allow them to monetize.
04:19:24 Speaker 1
Not cover it, you know? Watch the Chuck Todd. You know. What is it? The see? Whatever. Whatever.
04:19:26
Good idea.
04:19:29 Speaker 5
Meet the president.
04:19:29 Speaker 1
I can't meet, meet, Meet the Press reports, Meet the Press reports. It's like, not even the normal Meet the Press. But I'd be really interested to hear from you, Lester, if you wanna jump in. Or Matthew, if you wanna jump in your thoughts on those dynamics.
04:19:39 Speaker 5
You get. Yeah, I think I think what's interesting is, you know, let's take the hypothetical, you know, scenario.
04:19:47 Speaker 5
You know, proposed.
04:19:48 Speaker 5
Where we don't necessarily see a UA PDA path with any kind of teeth. And what are the other pathways to discovery around this topic?
04:19:58 Speaker 5
As we've seen sort of post 2017 post hearings with David Brush, I I think just even in my own network within the tech community, there is I think there we've broken through the veil of curiosity with enough people that can look at the sort of detection, characterization and evaluation challenges with the AP outside of the government, not necessarily that they have the same level of.
04:20:19 Speaker 5
Tooling, but I think they're they're they're going to naturally begin to be more and more pop-up products.
04:20:26 Speaker 5
Around creating and discovering the the the, the whole, the whole sky isn't classified issue like people really define it like how do we actually either consistently you know, you know, identify the location and the patterns, you know, the morphologies, etcetera. How can we consistently find ways to interact with these things. Like all of that.
04:20:46 Speaker 5
Though you know there is already a movement happening where that is starting so.
04:20:52 Speaker 5
That's going to accelerate overtime and I think the AI analogy here is really apt, where?
04:20:58 Speaker 5
Like you can.
04:20:58 Speaker 5
Think of where we are in like the AP kind of timeline is where, like GPT 1, GPT 2 was in terms of open AI's trajectory where it's like you have a couple of crumbs. There's not really information that you really get out of it that's functional.
04:21:11 Speaker 5
But there is something.
04:21:12 Speaker 5
Fundamentally undergirding this that you can build on so that that flywheel, I think, has started so in regardless that that there there are two, you know, I think the parade.
04:21:21 Speaker 5
And you know, Nick, we've talked about before is like there's a disclosure path and there's a discovery path and both are important and both have to be happening in tandem and in unison in terms of the momentum that we push forward in terms of the public demanding, right, that funding goes into these discovery programs and that the government, particularly Congress, does something about pushing forth disclosure.
04:21:42 Speaker 5
And it's like a yes and strategy as opposed to an either or strategy. So just in everything that we've been talking about throughout the evening.
04:21:48 Speaker 5
Just like it's like, yeah, we need to do that. And we also need to do this and it's nuts and bolts and it's consciousness you require IQ and EQ. Like it's it's. Yes. And I think that's what makes the topic so complex to address because it's where do you start? Right. And I think what we're doing now is finding those places to start.
04:22:06 Speaker 7
I was just gonna try to, you know, like again be pure analyst here. And if it is, what's the probability of there being some something like what we would say would constitute disclosure, though people have different definitions of that.
04:22:17 Speaker 7
If you looked at, you know you know current financial markets. If you looked at say the forward curve of the treasury market, if you looked at any sort of highly liquid traded assets, I don't think you would see the the world's sort of financial gets pricing in anything above what might be like in the noise floor for that.
04:22:37 Speaker 7
That probability. So I think that's something that we, you know maybe are really close to this have to sort of reconcile, right? So like on the one hand, I have conversations people that are.
04:22:45 Speaker 7
You know.
04:22:46 Speaker 7
Been convinced that this is on a train. This can't be stopped and it's just a matter of kind of the political, institutional, bureaucratic, yada, yada, yada path dependency to eventually get to that point and people throw all sorts of different time frames, but they're all relatively soon, essentially this decade and so have to reconcile those people that are professionally very competent.
04:23:06 Speaker 7
We have a few days in non UK related domains that are making with some degree of.
04:23:14 Speaker 7
Of of confidence. And then I have to look at the rest of the world in terms of pricing, you know, expectations about the future. I don't see any of those claims or beliefs priced in to the to the world market. So I think you have to reconcile like I'm I try to be hyper Bayesian. I haven't physically touched these things. I'm not.
04:23:29 Speaker 7
At a first hand, party to all these negotiations, I'm just sort of a an observer trying to track these things, sort of outside the box.
04:23:35 Speaker 7
And I have to kind of calibrate between those two very divergent perspectives.
04:23:39 Speaker 1
It's the it's the ultimate Black Swan, right?
04:23:41 Speaker 7
Matt. Yeah. And that's kind of what I do it professionally for a while is sort of doing, you know, ability, high consequence events analysis, mostly bad things for the and yeah, these are things that are very hard to ascribe ability to. They're sort of inherently sort of like.
04:23:58 Speaker 7
In the 4th Quadrant of television uncertainty or 19 uncertainty, we can look at, you know, the current political moves we can sort of draw reason to extrapolations.
04:24:07 Speaker 7
You know where the political incentives, the institutional momentum, the political momentum, sort of the civic discourse reaches that sort of tipping point threshold and make estimates about how close you are to that tipping point. But the nature of tipping points is you really don't know where they are until you hit them. It could be a long time before you get to that. What you think is a tipping point, even if it feels like you're on the sort of upward sloping part of the curve.
04:24:27 Speaker 7
So anyway, that's a bit more of like an analytical take on that question. So you have to like draw inferences from a, you know, like low, say, like a like a low information zone, right. And this is where, you know, space like, it's helpful because you get relatively high quality signal from someone like a machine who's closer to the.
04:24:45 Speaker 7
That part of the onion inside the box, and you can maybe draw higher quality inferences on how close you are to that kink in the curve, so to speak. And so I think you have to kind of treat it as data sort of put into probabilistic model and yeah, so I think it's definitely closer than it was six months ago or 12 months ago at least to the the stipulate trajectory is certainly.
04:25:04 Speaker 7
Is increased but, but yeah, making predictions is probably possible.
04:25:08 Speaker 1
Speaking of increasing, has an arrow have they officially or misremember?
04:25:14 Speaker 1
Doing this kind of applied a little bit that UAP sightings are on the increase and they're not 100% sure if it's sensor bias or not. But like it's as present as ever is that is that the vibe.
04:25:25 Speaker 1
You're getting.
04:25:27 Speaker 7
I mean, the most recent report, you know, noted an increase path report, but I don't know if they established A sufficient baseline to use their parlance to draw like the statistical inference that it's increasing.
04:25:36 Speaker 7
Objectively, as opposed to just, it's increasing in terms of their pipeline and they had, it was very confusing to try to count all their numbers up because some of it was like historical reports. They were sort of counting to the latest batch as well as new reports that came in. But again, like the way that their pipeline for reporting is designed, it's just military sensors.
04:25:53 Speaker 7
Which are concentrated in, you know, let's say a heterogeneous distribution around the world. But if you talk anecdotally to sort of the aviators in that community and the folks like Brian Graves and folks that he talks to his commercial pilots, he's reported, I guess you might call Annie data cuz I think he's starting to compile a more rigorous assess for kind of a civilian equivalent to arrow.
04:26:12 Speaker 7
And you know, he's made statements that just, you know, in that early phase of him standing up that intake process, you know, they've.
04:26:17 Speaker 7
And you know more people coming coming forward now again, how is whether it's just a reporting bias, people now feel more comfortable or whether it's an objective fact very hard to distinguish. I'm sure you know a lot of people other than me that are probably closer to those data sets that could, you know, assess what's a true trend, what's the selection.
04:26:33 Speaker 1
Bias it's so hard because when you look at the data, the bias issue is just so predominant.
04:26:38 Speaker 1
I mean, most USU. AP reports follow population centers. It makes it very hard to tease out nuance except in the few very particular circumstance.
04:26:47 Speaker 1
It's really tough, but yeah, it would be interesting. Like it's again, it's just purely hypothetical, but if they had any reason to believe that the underlying thing where all you're talking about like.
04:26:57 Speaker 1
You know, might.
04:26:58 Speaker 1
Be in the process of asserting itself more. It makes you, you know, maybe wonder a little bit about what all of those catastrophic.
04:27:06 Speaker 1
Disclosure scenarios could entail, because at a certain point, when everyone or every other person has seen one of these things.
04:27:13 Speaker 1
Like something will shift and you know, I was into this topic for a really long time. It's not saying anything statistically, it's 100% anecdotal, but like I'll just say, it took me a while to see the thing that I maybe been waiting for a little bit at least as far as how I perceived my experience. So and you know someone else, I know someone more recently or something that to them just.
04:27:33 Speaker 1
Fit this category we call UAP, so who knows? I'd like to get to a few more people, and then I'm gonna have to burn out soon because we're coming up on the five hour mark and actually we pretty much have the five hour mark. So we got a couple of of more folks. I have energy for to bring in, but you've been very patient. I would love to have you share any thoughts that are top of mind.
04:27:52 Speaker 1
Can go for it whenever you would speak. You ready?
04:27:56 Speaker 25
Yeah, like, yeah, just, I mean, it was a great discussion. I wanted to to ask Danny a few questions, but.
04:28:02 Speaker 25
It was. It was in two areas. One is National Defense National Safety. They used this term so liberally, but I wondered if anything was included in the legislation about having to justify the.
04:28:15 Speaker 25
And the second part I really wanted to talk to him about was the private contractor element. I think that's always, I've always said that that's the weakness. That's the area where we're gonna get access because, you know, having been the due diligence investigator and and you know corporate diligence investigator, one thing I've found this contractor relationships are very.
04:28:35 Speaker 25
That's basically in.
04:28:36 Speaker 25
Sort of.
04:28:37 Speaker 25
Programs that aren't open to public scrutiny in corporations and in private contractors. The level of buddies chip and and misadventure that goes on is usually quite high. When you investigate these things, and I think that's one of the areas Danny and and people on that side.
04:28:54 Speaker 25
Can really get an Ave. to getting on to the contractors?
04:28:57 Speaker 25
Just wanted to mention that.
04:28:58 Speaker 25
OK.
04:29:00 Speaker 1
Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I'm gonna try to get to a few other folks before we shut this down again. If anyone wants to interact with others or anything, just, you know, respond to points you want to welcome to jump in. Give me just a moment while I do some fiddling here because I don't have a co-host.
04:29:17 Speaker 1
I've just brought in one faith, love. You've also been for a while. Thank you so much. Any thoughts that you?
04:29:23 Speaker 1
Want to bring?
04:29:23 Speaker 1
To the conversation before we wrap it. Wrap it up this evening.
04:29:27 Speaker 26
You know, I'm a I'm a little late. I I did want to comment on.
04:29:30 Speaker 26
Joe said it might be something for another conversation, particularly with regard to intent and instances of hostility. I guess my curiosity for Joe was whether or not he knew that hostility, whether he was aware that it was related to particularly crash retrieval.
04:29:50 Speaker 26
You know whether it can be interpreted as you know, self-defense.
04:29:56 Speaker 1
It's an interesting question.
04:29:57 Speaker 1
But you know, I mean part.
04:29:58 Speaker 1
Of the overall.
04:30:00 Speaker 1
You know space and certainly Mac, you know contributed to this is that you know a lot of average people report these outlier experiences that you know at least to our you know frame of reference we might consider a little hostile. We wouldn't do it to other people without considering it being hostile and these are just experiences that happen with.
04:30:17 Speaker 1
Rich people, you know that you know, a lot of people do connect with the AP phenomenon. That's that's more explicit in some cases and situations than others. But.
04:30:29 Speaker 1
You know, I don't know. I think we're talking about maybe a wide spectrum. And also just my own view because I know you weren't interested in that. But I'll say it anyways. But is that like, you know, hostility is very?
04:30:38 Speaker 1
Subjective right? Like we.
04:30:39 Speaker 26
Right. I I I I'm a lifelong experiencer and I obviously don't think that we can, you know necessarily ever comprehend.
04:30:47 Speaker 26
UM, you know and ends with the limited information, especially that we have now, UM, my question was really with regard to uh on record like murders like that. I I mean I I'm.
04:30:57 Speaker 26
Assuming that those are our members of our military that are.
04:31:03 Speaker 26
We're not talking about human murders, we're talking about. Mm-hmm. Murders. That was something that came up that.
04:31:07 Speaker 1
Joe was so, you know, Danny Disregulated that a little bit from his own point of view, you might not have caught this portion but to.
04:31:13 Speaker 1
Me. It sounded like he said.
04:31:15 Speaker 1
That whatever grush asserted.
04:31:17 Speaker 1
From danye's perspective, while he was aware of cases and I think he was referring to the Virginia case, maybe where someone had touched a a body of something and got ill and afterwards that's at least it resonant with that.
04:31:30 Speaker 1
The case that obviously James Fox did his moment of contact movie about, you know, he did not say he had information on more aggressive kinds of behaviors. In fact, I mean, he was asked pretty directly about that and he made it sound like he was under the impression the aggression was really on the part of people covering up programs.
04:31:50 Speaker 1
But it's it's not to say it's, you know, he he has knowledge and he he was pretty I think good to caveat that he he was I think a little more willing to caveat some things or at least I was paying attention to that more maybe than I have in some of his other you know interviews and.
04:32:04 Speaker 1
You know, trying not to say he was trying to speak unilaterally for the totality of quote UN quote U AP and and and experience or you know phenomena, but I think that's a really good question. Thank you for and you know it's like it's obviously something we would love to get, you know, declassified and learn a little bit more about I think we deserve to know is this thing ever.
04:32:24 Speaker 1
You know, aggressive in a way that we would at least define that. So thank you. Thank you.
04:32:28 Speaker 26
For sharing that. Yeah, totally. Thank you for hosting this. And it's also many familiar names and faces here. So you know, congratulations. This was a really, really fruitful and productive conversation, I think Danny said a lot of kind of bombshell things so.
04:32:40 Speaker 1
No, thank you. I mean, listen, it was really great. Again, I've bumped into him a couple of times over the years now and I've always just gotten good vibes from him. I liked him, so it was. It was really wonderful that they were able to offer him coming out and speaking to everyone. And again, he seemed very like he got into the mode at I think a certain point. And I think he was liking the interaction from a lot of different people. And so hopefully we can get him and Tyler back to.
04:33:00 Speaker 1
Do that again. At some point I want to bring in a couple more people before I I burn out here. Just a couple more. Really. Rick Barr, we're gonna add.
04:33:08 Speaker 1
You next.
04:33:14 Speaker 1
Give us just a moment while reconnects.
04:33:19 Speaker 1
We this space behaved.
04:33:20 Speaker 1
Decently tonight, I'll say that for the number of people that were on, I can't believe Brian, of all people, was the one who couldn't speak on his face. That that felt a little strange and ironic on a weird level, but I don't know what that was about.
04:33:31 Speaker 1
Cuz we tried to bring him up like 6 times.
04:33:32 Speaker 5
So crazy.
04:33:35 Speaker 1
The man is after him, for sure. It looks like Rick might be having.
04:33:38 Speaker 1
Some connection problems too.
04:33:40 Speaker 1
I'm going to bring in made in USA.
04:33:44 Speaker 1
We'll have you go next made in USA.
04:33:48 Speaker 1
Or is it?
04:33:49 Speaker 1
All just breaking down at this point is everyone having problems connecting? That could be the case. Maybe we just matched out whatever the.
04:33:55 Speaker 1
Bit depth of this space is right.
04:33:59 Speaker 1
It could be. I don't see that made in USA is.
04:34:02 Speaker 1
Able to connect either.
04:34:06 Speaker 1
I'm going to try like one or two more fuss. If it doesn't work, we we know that it's time to wrap.
04:34:10 Speaker 1
Then I'm gonna. I'm gonna bring you in next.
04:34:14 Speaker 1
No, I think it burned out.
04:34:16 Speaker 1
Can can people still hear me give?
04:34:17 Speaker 1
Me a thumbs up or one?
04:34:18 Speaker 1
100 or something like that.
04:34:19 Speaker 2
You're good. You're good.
04:34:21 Speaker 1
I wonder if we've just surpassed like.
04:34:23 Speaker 17
The the again it's.
04:34:24 Speaker 1
Like the depth in some you know line of code of like how many total speakers? That's like a 8 bit value and we've gone way past it or some ****. Well guys.
04:34:32 Speaker 1
If it's not working.
04:34:33 Speaker 1
You know, I think we've we've shared a lot of interesting perspectives. Thanks for letting me go on the front. I always like doing that.
04:34:38 Speaker 1
Of course, Matthew Lester. Obviously, I want to call out Joe and again Danny and Tyler and everyone else who spoke. It's great getting clouds and some other folks that we're all obviously familiar with up into the conversation. I can't believe this thing went a little over 5 hours and catch Thursday, 8:30. This one will be maybe a little more controversial. Garrett Graff.
04:34:59 Speaker 1
Author of the new book.
04:35:01 Speaker 1
UFO's, I think it's called like the search for extraterrestrial intelligence here and out there or something close to that.
04:35:07 Speaker 1
I've been liking it so far.
04:35:08 Speaker 1
It doesn't mean I agree.
04:35:09 Speaker 1
With all of Garrett's.
04:35:10 Speaker 1
Views. It doesn't mean I think his tone has always been perfectly well landed in certain contexts.
04:35:15 Speaker 2
But again, the book.
04:35:16 Speaker 1
Is a history of UAP just as a refresher even for me, he's been into it for so long, I've really been enjoying it. I like his writing style. I try to bring people into the big 10, even if they're not on board of.
04:35:27 Speaker 1
You know, a lot of what I might even take for granted, or at least assign relatively high probabilities to or decent probabilities.
04:35:34 Speaker 1
Too. I look forward to getting into that conversation with him on many fronts, whether it's about, you know, grush and comments on on him and maybe what the credibility or even just likelihood.
04:35:43 Speaker 1
Of those claims.
04:35:44 Speaker 1
Is. I can tell you just in my e-mail correspondence with Garrett and folks whether or not they want.
04:35:49 Speaker 1
To kind of.
04:35:49 Speaker 1
Accept as being a thing of value. Some of his public statements.
04:35:53 Speaker 1
Or you know.
04:35:54 Speaker 1
Appearances and news bites and things like that.
04:35:57 Speaker 1
I can tell you be ready for just a more nuanced set of views than some of you I think might have about what his actual feelings personally are about these things. They they seem to be perfectly nuanced and reasonable in my interactions with him. And you know, I think he is open minded. He's sold per se and I think he is a polarit threads and sometimes being a plural.
04:36:17 Speaker 1
Friends is also ones that make the story fall apart, and it doesn't mean that that conclusion is right. Or again, you've assigned the correct odds, but I think there are a lot of people you know, we just have to really remember that so much of our thinking and feeling and everything about the UAP topic is through so many lenses of, like, just decades of vacuum and real information.
04:36:38 Speaker 1
You know, mythologies, there have been faked UAP landings, there's been faked photos. Like sometimes there are hoaxes. There's also the SIOP element, which comes into play. So I also give people kind of credence for, like wondering in certain cases. Did it really go down that way? Did some story evolve years later? So anyway, I'm really open to having a nuanced.
04:36:58 Speaker 1
Conversation with him about that.
04:37:00 Speaker 1
Again, some, maybe, probably even deeper things, because he's a really smart and deep guy and you know Matthew, I hope you can join us and Lester and everyone else, because I think we can have some fun conversations even about, you know, the universe. And, you know, the odds of things and really kind of fun, interesting conversations. And if people do have some tougher questions, again, keep it polite.
04:37:20 Speaker 1
You think you know don't go on a rant fest.
04:37:22 Speaker 1
You know any any accusations of just being a shill, being a sellout, being a government agent? Like I'll ask him those questions at the beginning of the interview. Are you any of these things? And, you know, a lot on how he wants, he has a very public profile. He's kind of known as the person he is. I find it hard to believe he's some agent of radiance technologies or whoever. How funny is it? We're talking about a company called Radiance.
04:37:43 Speaker 1
By the way, and not like Lockheed Martin or Raytheon, they're getting out.
04:37:46 Speaker 1
Free. You know? Maybe, maybe radiance.
04:37:48 Speaker 1
Is the distraction so not paying?
04:37:50 Speaker 1
Attention to where the really the messy **** is. It's like they're on junior level ****. We'll let we'll let people dig around at that for a while. But anyway, I digress. I think the conversation with Garrett would be great. Just don't be insulting. Don't make accusations that are unfounded. Don't be rude.
04:38:06 Speaker 1
And I think we can have a really meaningful conversation and I really look at it as an opportunity to bring a very well respected person who's put a lot of his energy.
04:38:14 Speaker 1
Into writing it.
04:38:14 Speaker 1
Fundamentally, good UFO history book, one that I've enjoyed. You know, it really brought new dimensions to my understanding of kind of cynic as a public person.
04:38:23 Speaker 1
Mentality. I kind of maybe just didn't realize like he kind of had this pre UFO presence in the American psyche. At least if you were following certain things in astronomy and in science.
04:38:32 Speaker 1
He had been involved in some other interesting stuff over the years and yeah, I I find anyone who brings kind of a richness to even my own U AP understanding, you know, someone who's adding value in some way and it's an opportunity to kind of share ideas, share perspectives, maybe open them up to something and try to gain an ally. I'm always looking for allies.
04:38:53 Speaker 1
I'll try to convert anyone. I'm a *******. Like I'll, you know, anyone who's you know.
04:38:58 Speaker 1
The ultimate person who's holding up UAP you.
04:39:00 Speaker 1
Know disclosure or?
04:39:01 Speaker 1
Whatever. I don't know. I'll have beers with them. Let's see if we can kind of work it out. It's.
04:39:04 Speaker 1
Probably not gonna work.
04:39:05 Speaker 1
Out, but it's at least you know where I come from. Kind of ideologically. So you know, I I I certainly welcome him to have a a good space, A positive space, A productive space that I hope everyone joins again. That's gonna be 8:30.
04:39:18 Speaker 1
On Thursday Eastern Time, he said he can go at least 90 minutes at the rate that these things are going. That means, like, we'll be talking the next morning, maybe. I hope not. I hope Gary, can, you know, sleep that night. But anyway, folks join us on 8:30 PM Eastern on Thursday.
04:39:32 Speaker 1
Aircraft and I will see you all like tomorrow, but I'll probably sleep in a little late tonight. So everyone have a wonderful evening and thank you everyone. Once again, a lot of fun this evening and it's really meaningful to me to get so many people together around their passion for this and for making change happen. I really think that that's like the ingredient at the end of the day is people just deciding that we're ready for the change to ******* happen already.
04:39:54 Speaker 1
So thank you for being part of that. Please keep making the calls, as Danny said, and as I would say and as Lester would say and as anyone.
04:40:01 Speaker 1
It's not over till it's over. Make the calls. Lester. We got a name, like, totally out of it at this point. So I think you have this guy this. I think it was a senator, was from Louisiana as a as a good target point. It was one of the guys Danny called out.
04:40:14 Speaker 5
It it, it might have been so we should have everyone covered on the Republican leadership that is allegedly.
04:40:21 Speaker 5
Back as well as Schumer rounds UA PDA co-authors and the existing Democratic leadership, so all of the Co cohorts that are sort of the most important in this conversation are currently added on the call tool.
04:40:34 Speaker 1
It was Wicker, I think. I think it was Wicker in Mississippi, not Louisiana, he said. Wicker might be a sticking point. I don't know if I called with us.
04:40:41 Speaker 1
Today, so call your own reps or call the mikes called all the people on the AP.
04:40:46 Speaker 1
Caucus just go to UP.
04:40:47 Speaker 5
All the mice.
04:40:48 Speaker 1
You know, go to uapcaucus.com/call, go to declassifyup.org/action declassify. AP is really to for you to engage with your own reps, as Danny said, you can also use new Paradigm Institute to do that. They have sort of a similar tool. Please send both letters go to declassify if you haven't send the our kind of form letter it's great to just have numbers.
04:41:08 Speaker 1
Behind that message, it's also great for numbers to be behind the message that Denny's org sends out. Stamp your name on all of it. That's fine. It's OK. You know, we want to create a flood of.
04:41:17 Speaker 1
Of volume of you know.
04:41:19 Speaker 1
Really voicing support for this. You know, I was really glad to see Schumer. His tweet gets so much response like I have to think his social media team, his comms team is like.
04:41:30 Speaker 15
Senator Schumer, that.
04:41:31 Speaker 1
U AP thing was like actually like the biggest response from America you've ever received on anything online. That's a good message to get into these guys heads.
04:41:39 Speaker 1
That's that's the the work that we're all doing here. And again, I want to thank Lester and everyone has been part of that and everyone who's called out to their reps, the US citizens. Of course you're not a U.S. citizen.
04:41:48 Speaker 1
**** it. Call your local U.S. embassy and tell them what you want to see and that this is a global issue and everyone's looking for to the US for leadership. You can look at the, you know your embassy number at the usembassy.gov just go to usembassy.gov and you get like a lookup form for your country and all phone numbers, contact info. You can totally call and lodge a comment.
04:42:09 Speaker 1
That's really your.
04:42:10 Speaker 1
Diplomatic, you know, touch point if you're a foreign citizen who's trying to interact about issues that this is involved with. So call your U.S. embassy for Hell's sake. Just go for it. Keep making the calls this week. People keep making the calls until we know exactly what the status of the NDA is. Just don't treat it like it's over. And then when it is over.
04:42:31 Speaker 1
Even if it's not.
04:42:33 Speaker 1
Like, get angrier and more revved up and more ready to make more noise and try to bring more people into it. Let's make the next hill day, not just me walking around Congress cause that's dick****. That was called the dry run like we gotta get a lot of people involved and like you know, go through the heart fielding you know, go through Rayburn, go through the cannon, go through these other buildings, have it all lined up try to get some.
04:42:54 Speaker 1
People who are actual constituents up as best we can prearrange a few meetings. It'll be pretty hard for these offices to ignore if there's several 100 people in the hallway, you know, and then you take them up on the please come in on the door.
04:43:07 Speaker 1
And again, you don't flood the office with 300 people. You don't really know what you're walking into. You want to be respectful, but you can send in a few reps, and they've certainly heard the crowd in the hallway. So I think you know that that gets noticed and you can do it in a way that isn't a protest. And it's completely legal within your bounds. And again, we should appreciate we have these levers.
04:43:27 Speaker 1
They don't have them in a lot of places. You can't do that. I mean, there's lots of democratic nations you also can, but we should just be thankful for that. It's easy to ***** and moan about how funked up it all is, and it it kinda is. But it doesn't mean it's all ****** **. And the more funked up it gets is because people don't realize of these levers.
04:43:46 Speaker 1
So I hope even if the APDU PDA goes down or gets gutted or whatever, the hell happens with AP legislation in the next few weeks because something will happen, something will be in the NDA. It's not the trend line now for nothing to happen. You know there was multiple batches of things in the NDA that are even relevant to UAP. So don't even refer to AP directly, but are still relevant to the topic.
04:44:06 Speaker 1
I think there was some whistleblower regular.
04:44:08 Speaker 1
Etc. So we'll see what we get.
04:44:11 Speaker 1
And then just get louder.
04:44:13 Speaker 1
Get more involved, keep pushing it forward there. Eventually. I think more people will just come in to realize it anyway and aren't so bent out of shape about the government validating it. It's just about what's right and making the right change so everyone have a wonderful evening talk tomorrow. I'll see you all and have a great night.
04:44:29 Speaker 1
Thank you, everyone. Thanks man. Thanks, Lester. Everyone. It's been awesome. Ciao.